Posted on 02/26/2005 3:47:17 PM PST by Hildy
I would submit that you are advocating torturing a cadaver. She is brain dead from her own actions. It is hard to murder a cadaver.
None of the life signs or abuse people like to throw around have ever been proven. Those arguments are just smoke screens.
She has been dead for fifteen years, let her go in peace and quit torturing the cadaver.
I see, so if I don't see things your way, I have no reasoning skills. In my estimation, that line of thinking is way more dangerous than anything you accuse me of.
I approve of people deciding their own fate.
Self-murder is still murder.
Y'all are trying to lead America onto the slippery slope that Germany imbarked upon in the last century.
It's a short step from people 'deciding their own fate' to little fuehrers doing it for them...
This case is a glaring example.
But this is not Germany. There are many who will fight you.
That's known as 'the Big Lie'.
If you ghouls succeed in withdrawing food and hydration from this woman, she will suffer greatly.
If anyone is a cadaver, it is you.
You're dead in your soul...
None of the life signs or abuse people like to throw around have ever been proven. Those arguments are just smoke screens.
She has been dead for fifteen years, let her go in peace and quit torturing the cadaver.
I agree 100%. Terri brought all this on herself.
I was appalled to read some posts (on another thread) that Mike had tried to kill Terri & Mike doesn't want her to get better because Terri will "tell on him."
Fact is, Mike did look after Terri for 8 years & that included a lot of therapy, which didn't do an ounce of good.
Grow up and use some common sense instead of pure emotions. Learn a little grade school or middle school science on how the brain works. Read all sides and make an intelligent decision based on facts instead of pure emotions.
Terri Shiavo died from her own actions. Her brain is gone. The only possibility for her to recover is to grow another brain. Show me another documented case where that has happened and I will discuss this issue with you at length. Until then, I am convinced you are advocating torturing a cadaver. You are the ghoul in my opinion.
I am very comfortable that my soul is in the hands of God and not in your hands. The big lie is that she is alive.
By starving her to death!? That's a peaceful way to die?
Then give her body to her family...right now.
If she's dead, as you say, what do you care?
By starving her to death!? That's a peaceful way to die? I guess because she's incapable of normal speech she won't complain too much when she's starved to death, so since she won't bug the nurses very much then the is going in "peace"?
Someone could surgically remove you head including your brain leaving only the brain stem attached to the neck. You could stay that way with a surgically implanted feeding tube until the body gave out from old age.
You right-to-life at any cost bunch are sick in my opinion. You are advocating torturing cadavers. Feeding tubes are removed many times every day all over the world. Terri is just the one being used for political and financial gain. Let the poor woman go in peace and be with her maker. She deserves some rest after the fifteen years of living hell.
(Reprinted from NewsMax.com)
'Million Dollar Baby' Is a Neo-Nazi Movie
Dr. Ted Baehr Saturday, Feb. 12, 2005
The forerunner of "Million Dollar Baby" was the very entertaining Nazi movie "I Accuse," which won the top prize at the Venice Film Festival and was the propaganda that Dr. Goebbels used to convince the German people to switch their vote from "vehemently opposed to the holocaust" to over 60 percent in favor of so-called "mercy killing." In fact, "I Accuse" is a very subtle film that inspired the killing of millions of people.
Dr. Joseph Goebbels was the National Socialist (Nazi) propaganda minister from 1933 to 1945. He exploited radio, press, cinema and theater in Germany to destroy the Jews, evangelical Christians, handicapped Germans and other groups. In 1994, the Discovery Channel aired "Selling Murder," an important documentary investigating how Goebbels used mass media to influence the German people to accept the mass murder of human beings. The documentary shows that at a time when a majority of German people rejected mercy killings (a euphemism for murder), Goebbels produced the movie "I Accuse," an emotive feature film about a beautiful, intelligent woman who is dying of an incurable disease and begs to be allowed to commit suicide.
After the movie was released, a majority of German people said they had changed their minds and now supported mercy killings. After a few more of Goebbels' films about invalids and handicapped people, the German people became strong believers in the efficacy of mass mercy killings.
While the attempted annihilation of Jews by the National Socialists is well documented, the atrocities did not stop with the Jewish race. The main focus of "Selling Murder" is a group that has been somewhat overlooked: the mentally and physically ill of Germany. In 1939, Hitler ordered the killing of the mentally and physically disabled, labeling them as "life unworthy of life."
His reasoning was that the cost of keeping them alive in asylums and hospitals was too great. The real reason, however, stemmed from the government's determination to eliminate any threat to its idea of producing a superior race.
"Selling Murder" is must viewing for every moral person concerned about the use of the mass media of entertainment to influence societal behavior. Similarities between the National Socialist use of film and "Million Dollar Baby" are frightening.
In a January 27, 2005 article in the Los Angeles Times, Marcie Roth, executive director of the National Spinal Cord Injury Association, a national advocacy group with 13,000 members, was quoted as saying that "this narrative development spreads a socially irresponsible message. The movie is saying ‘death is better than disability.'"
The Los Angeles Times continues: "The group contends that the movie is part of a larger bias Eastwood holds against the disabled. A press release on its website carries the headline, ‘Eastwood Continues Disability Vendetta with "Million Dollar Baby." Labeling the movie a ‘brilliantly executed attack,' it also details a 1997 lawsuit in which a disabled woman sued the actor-director, saying he did not provide handicapped-accessible restroom facilities at the Carmel, Calif., resort he owned."
The press release goes on to divulge the movie's plot. "Our responsibility is to the half-million people with spinal cord injuries, not to moviegoers or moviemakers," Roth said.
Rush Limbaugh blasted "Million Dollar Baby" as a "million dollar euthanasia movie." Critic Michael Medved told USA Today that he had revealed the plot twist because "there are competing moral demands that come into the job of a movie critic. We have a moral and fairness obligation to not spoil movies. On the other hand, our primary moral obligation is to tell the truth."
Medved, who says he "hated this movie," also eemarked, "They didn't want to tell people what it is [about] because no one would come." Jewish columnist Don Feder says that "the screenplay could have been smuggled out of Dr. Jack Kevorkian's prison cell."
Furthermore, my wife has been on chemotherapy for ten years and is in great pain. California is now considering a so-called "doctor-assisted suicide" law. The connection is too horrible.
Love should never trump conscience. Murder is not excusable, even when it is art. And the renowned director of "Million Dollar Baby" is not conservative (contrary to the witless commentary in the Los Angeles Times), except in the sense that the National Socialists were branded as conservative. In truth, real Christian conservatives support life, not murder.
117 posted on 02/28/2005 7:56:12 PM EST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
I take it you either didn’t read my post #329 or chose to ignore it. I have been through this and understand it very well. You on the other hand are relying on superstition and hope in a hopeless situation. You are being used for political and financial gain. You should be mad at the people deceiving you for their gain and not the messenger bringing you the truth.
If you're a 'messenger', it's a message from hell...
What really amazes me is there is a thread on this subject over on the DU site. There are people passionately discussing this subject from both sides. The difference is they are using rational arguments and having a civil debate including different religious points of view. Do you want a rational debate or do you just want to drive anyone that doesn’t agree with you off of the threads?
I personally don’t care where you think I am from or whether you agree with me. Irrationally lashing at me out doesn’t get you anywhere. Just because you repeat your unsupported point over and over doesn’t make you right. It only shows you are persistent in not bringing up facts to support your view.
Until you quit ignoring the Bill of Rights and the Florida Constitution I won't believe you want anything like a 'rational debate'.
Is Terri Schindler Schiavo a person?
Has she been convicted in a court of law for a capital offense?
I'm sure you spend lots of time there, eh?
What is it going to be, rational deate or throwing bombs? If you can't make a logical case for keeping a cadaver breathing, let me know.
Is she a person?
Has she been convicted of a capital crime?
It is unconstitutional to take the life of an innocent American.
Read the Bill of Rights and the Florida Constitution and get back to me...
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