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I've been away from a computer most of the weekend and have been catching up. I've read about 1700 posts here so far.

First off, This flare up was started by Nathan Tabor. Mr. Tabor was banned during his primary campaign in the 5th district of North Carolina. He posted for awhile and was banned, rebanned, etc. I missed the primary reason he was gone, but I know some posters here knew him personally, and not in a positive sense. Mr. Tabor's got his site. He wants hits to it. FR's part of the competition. Mr. Tabor also has an ax to grind over several of FR's posters' non support for him during the campaign(most supported Vernon Robinson). Why he chose to post on FR during most of his campaign instead of knocking on doors I don't understand, that may be a big reason why he finishing deep in the pack during his primary.

I've long said that everyone's got an agenda, that's certainly the case here. Mr. Tabor and Mr. Gheene have their own sites and message boards. FR's been in the news lately through the whole Martin O'Malley affair. During the last 3 years here, the four issues I've seen the most heat against Bush have been the Patriot Act, BICRA(McCain/Feingold), the AWB(dead for now), and our borders. The border issue has been the most in the news. There's the hot iron, and those two struck it for all it's worth.

This relates to the internal/office politics post from the O'Malley related thread.

The one really bad development I've seen here is the cliquishness(and all the office/internal politics that goes with it). If there is one downfall and killer I've seen in all types of organizations over the years, it is because of the 'cliques'. I've seen it at almost every organization I've been involved with. I've seen signs of it here, especially in this thread. It's like high school all over again. Jocks/skaters/preppies/nerds/wannabe gangstas etc. With the cliquishness and groupthink that goes along with it, the people are becoming the issue, not the policy issues.

2,785 posted on 02/13/2005 12:25:53 PM PST by Dan from Michigan (Republican Party Reptile)
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To: Dan from Michigan

Great observations Dan ~ good job!

FR will survive all the personalities ~ I've seen 'em come and I've seen 'em go. ;);)


2,786 posted on 02/13/2005 12:30:48 PM PST by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: Dan from Michigan

What are these competing websites?


2,791 posted on 02/13/2005 12:38:57 PM PST by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: Dan from Michigan
It's like high school all over again. Jocks/skaters/preppies/nerds/wannabe gangstas etc. With the cliquishness and groupthink that goes along with it, the people are becoming the issue, not the policy issues

Mucho correcto(no doubt I will be attacked for using Spanish, bad Spanish nonetheless). :^)

2,793 posted on 02/13/2005 12:46:48 PM PST by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: Dan from Michigan
The one really bad development I've seen here is the cliquishness(and all the office/internal politics that goes with it). If there is one downfall and killer I've seen in all types of organizations over the years, it is because of the 'cliques'. I've seen it at almost every organization I've been involved with. I've seen signs of it here, especially in this thread. It's like high school all over again.

Definitely correct, and definitely a problem.

2,799 posted on 02/13/2005 12:56:43 PM PST by inquest (FTAA delenda est)
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To: Dan from Michigan
"The border issue has been the most in the news."

I believe that the border issue will be the cornerstone of Senator Rodham-Clinton's thrust into pulling votes from the center-right in the 2008 race for the White House.

With the DNC's continuing move to the left, a "centrist" Hillary! will surface to splinter votes from both parties.

Hillary Clinton...the next Ross Perot.

2,810 posted on 02/13/2005 1:15:57 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: Dan from Michigan; All

"I've long said that everyone's got an agenda, that's certainly the case here. Mr. Tabor and Mr. Gheene have their own sites and message boards. FR's been in the news lately through the whole Martin O'Malley affair. During the last 3 years here, the four issues I've seen the most heat against Bush have been the Patriot Act, BICRA(McCain/Feingold), the AWB(dead for now), and our borders. The border issue has been the most in the news. There's the hot iron, and those two struck it for all it's worth. "

Gheen worked for Vernon Robinson and then his organization ALIPAC endorsed Virginia Foxx for the General election when Vernon lost the run off. Your theory does not fit just like Robinson's theory that he banned everyone for being with Stormfront does not add up. These are good fellow conservatives you are bashing.


2,834 posted on 02/13/2005 2:06:02 PM PST by DavidDavid
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