[Luis Gonzalez]

"Cool it Luis, of course the Lib takes a shot a Bush on Iraq. I just let trash like that roll off. However, he is correct about our borders being open because we allow them to be that way."

That would make you a big fan of Hillary Clinton...right?

"Whether you approve of open borders or not, intellectual honesty would have you admit that we have not done nearly all we can to control who enters our country and what they do once they are here."

Absolutely, and in order to understand why, we must understand the underlying reasons behind the government's lackadaisical attitude toward illegal immigration.

It's easy to scream "traitors"...that's a purely emotional reaction. It's quite difficult to find the truth, because very often, it points right back at us.

For example, had we not murdered thirty million babies since 1970, perhaps we wouldn't need ten million illegal aliens in the country covering the Social Security payments of the generation who murdered those babies.

[FITZ]

In fact --- as unbelievable as it might seem to you -- 40% of hispanics voted for Proposistion 200 in Arizona.

[HighFlier]

For example, had we not murdered thirty million babies since 1970, perhaps we wouldn't need ten million illegal aliens in the country covering the Social Security payments of the generation who murdered those babies.

Very good point. One I've made in conversations on the subject. However, that aside, we still probably have plenty of people to do what needs to be done. In addition, it is my contention that all this illegal immigration is not a net plus for our country.

Your Hillary statement was nonsequitur.

I haven't called the politicians traitors in any of my posts, so I have no idea where you came up with that one.