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I took the dog out before I hit the hay and the answer to a problem finally came to me in a way that I think I can explain. So, before I forget it, which I will, I need to post it. I am going to post it to you and all.

This thread started because of a situation that is not new here on FR.

The immigration threads have come to the attention of management and Jim did what he had to do and opened all this and other stuff up for discussion so we can learn something.

The mods are having a time on these threads. People are getting hot, throwing insults, race cards and the like because of the type of debate.

I ran into this back a few months, when sabertooth got into trouble along with some others, and I left the debate. I could not decipher why it was getting hot and heavy and I am quite sure the mods were having a time with finding out who to blame and justifying a zot.

Well, I think I know what it is. I am here to discuss the immigration problem and debate the various ideas or tell others mine. I am here to discuss, debate and come to solutions. Others are as well, but some are here who are not debating, they are stating convictions. You cannot debate convictions.

If you try, the conviction gets restated in a slightly different way and the poor guy trying to debate says "what"?

If you have a conviction, stay off the debate threads, or come and state your conviction one time and that is all, because your not going to debate it. IT IS A CONVICTION!

Please state it and sit back and watch the others debate issues and formulate arguments, and maybe learn something, but don't come armed with convictions.

I recall doing that one time on a gun thread, and five posters eventually thought I was a FBI plant.

You see, when you don't debate, people think you have some other motives for being there.

It sounds pretty simple, and it is. Don't bring convictions to a debate. Because you can't compromise it, you cannot debate it and you are bound to get angry and insulted. Then you will protect your conviction by going after others.

I have convictions about many things. I can't debate them either.

Just passing on something important that I learned today.

I hope some see what I am saying and relate it to something that happened to them on a thread that turned into a flamer. See if someone, maybe you, brought a conviction to a debate.

Thank you very much!

I am now free to go to bed.