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Not so ‘Free Republic’: The Shot Heard Around the Net
The Conservative Voice ^ | Feb 11, 2005 | by William Gheen, President, Americans for Legal Immigration PAC

Posted on 02/11/2005 10:55:36 AM PST by Jim Robinson

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To: JeffAtlanta
"The only way to make this work is the criminalize the hiring of illegals. And when I mean criminalize, I mean serious jail time."

Agreed. But we simultaneously have to reform our immigration laws to permit the amount of immigrant labor that businesses will need to stay in business.

Enact the guest laborer program and impose strict penalties on employers who violate it.

But right now no one is going to bust employers for doing the only thing they can to stay in business, especially when they are providing jobs to citizens also and paying lots of local taxes.

2,341 posted on 02/12/2005 4:51:56 PM PST by bayourod (Unless we get over 40% of the Hispanic vote in 2008, President Hillary will take all your guns away.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Unpatrolled borders is like playing Russian roullette with five in the wheel. The President has something up his sleeve with this, you can bet on that. [Gee, I'm still here! ... The article author is, well, full of it. BTW, Jim, you know what you get by assuming? ... Full of donkey meat. The author is full of donkey meat.]


2,342 posted on 02/12/2005 4:56:07 PM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: Czar

I'm not sure how many the AF eventually received, but 13 seems too few, by a lot. They get a LOT of use these days....

I can only imagine the stress that 105 puts on the airframe when they fire it.


2,343 posted on 02/12/2005 4:58:06 PM PST by roaddog727 (The marginal propensity to save is 1 minus the marginal propensity to consume.)
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To: DoctorMichael; Admin Moderator

So you're saying that you don't believe we can control our borders? The opposite was the major point I derived from the article - if the poor USSR could control its huge borders, then the rich US can control its much smaller border with Mexico.

Notice it possible to post without insulting the person you are posting to. It's really not that difficult to do.


2,344 posted on 02/12/2005 5:00:44 PM PST by HighFlier
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To: HighFlier; Admin Moderator
*LOL*

Best wishes!

2,345 posted on 02/12/2005 5:02:40 PM PST by DoctorMichael (The Fourth Estate is a Fifth Column!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: rodguy911
I'm with you, rodguy911.

I feel the govt. should go all out and do whatever it takes to control our borders for illegal substances and people.

2,346 posted on 02/12/2005 5:03:17 PM PST by HighFlier
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To: DoctorMichael

Take it easy.


2,347 posted on 02/12/2005 5:04:04 PM PST by HighFlier
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To: HighFlier
...if the poor USSR could control its huge borders, then the rich US can control its much smaller border with Mexico.

Hopefully you're not advocating the U.S. adopt the Soviet model for border control?

2,348 posted on 02/12/2005 5:10:26 PM PST by COEXERJ145
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To: COEXERJ145

I'm not advocating mining and shooting, but large walls, plenty of soldiers, cameras (and other technology) and lots of enforcement. If that doesn't stop most, it'll stop 99% of illegals and that would be satisfactory


2,349 posted on 02/12/2005 5:13:29 PM PST by HighFlier
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To: COEXERJ145; Spiff
Only in your dreams. Tancredo is too much of an extremest...

He's a Republican conservative who won over 60% of the vote of his constituents in the last election. Hardly a nobody extremist.

Buchanan never attracted more than 1%-2% of voters so his mini-me

Says who? In 1996 Buchanan won the New Hampshire, Alaskan and Louisiana primaries and came in second in Iowa. Only after the relentless attacks by the so-called "mainstream media" and a few in the GOP like Bill Bennett did Pat begin to slide following the Arizona primary.

Say what you want about these men, as another poster Spiff has correctly pointed out many of us don't agree with everything they say but on border security they are dead on.

2,350 posted on 02/12/2005 5:18:45 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Jim Robinson


"Enough already."

PEH!


2,351 posted on 02/12/2005 5:21:06 PM PST by Touch (Your eyes, they just see truth, you make them lie.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
"Lay off the abuse button, it's already been done."

What EVER were you talking about in this case, Luis?

That's was a curious thing to say.

Are you a Mod, by chance?

2,352 posted on 02/12/2005 5:22:30 PM PST by F16Fighter
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To: F16Fighter

Ugh, I hope none of the 'bots are mods...


2,353 posted on 02/12/2005 5:24:54 PM PST by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: bayourod

"Once you accept the fact that we cannot keep laborers out, what is your solution?"

That's NOT true.

Third World illegal aliens can, not only be kept out of our soil, but those already allowed in by this administration and previous administrations can be made to pack up and return to their country of origins if there is a will to do so by this president.

The vast majority of Americans don't like their nation being colonized by an alien, 3rd World mass that speaks a different language, inports different values and that are often loyal to a different country. And Americans, moreover, don't want a 3rd World legal/illegal immigration policy that brings in a massive subculture of unassimilable aliens inside the country that our forefathers build from the wilderness.

The American people have spoken on this guest worker euphemism time and time again. It's now up to the President to show some leadership and accede to the wishes of the vast majority of the people.


2,354 posted on 02/12/2005 5:26:13 PM PST by TheBrotherhood (There is more to life than "the party." Please visit www.terrisfight.org)
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To: k2blader

I think there's a pretty good possibility.


2,355 posted on 02/12/2005 5:26:27 PM PST by F16Fighter
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To: prion
I thought I was going to have to read quick before it got zotted :)

LOL Same here.

Close the borders Mr President.

2,356 posted on 02/12/2005 5:30:48 PM PST by barker (I have knocked on the door of this man's soul and found someone home, Zell Miller on G.W. Bush)
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To: TheBrotherhood

I hope you realize that, as correct as you are, you are not posting to bayourod, but rather to the other FReepers that are reading your posts. You may change their opinions, but not bayourods. So keep the well thought out discussions going.


2,357 posted on 02/12/2005 5:30:55 PM PST by HighFlier
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To: HighFlier
Thanks, it's the reasonable man theory. What would a reasonable man do?
2,358 posted on 02/12/2005 5:36:14 PM PST by rodguy911 (rodguy911:First Let's get rid of the UN and the ACLU,..toss in CAIR as well.)
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To: HighFlier

"You may change their opinions, but not bayourods."

Thanks for the advice, HighFlier.

Hopefully others, to whom the post was not addressed, will also read the posts.

It is a very critical issue.


2,359 posted on 02/12/2005 5:38:25 PM PST by TheBrotherhood (There is more to life than "the party." Please visit www.terrisfight.org)
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To: William Gheen

i never said anything of the sort - i was simply responding to an element of JimRob's post that i disagreed with - opinion only, because i may have had some informaiton he did not (possibly)


2,360 posted on 02/12/2005 5:44:15 PM PST by Spacetrucker (Always Faithful ... then burn 'em to the ground!!)
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