THE COSTS OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION TO CALIFORNIANS

Federation for American Immigration Reform ^ | November 2004 | Editors

[Howlin]

Once more, I'm not playing that stupid game where you make a statement and try to make me defend it.

If you are claiming I said that, prove it.

[Howlin]

I am a Conservative. I don't have fanatical obsessions.

ROFLMAO. Right.

[William Terrell]

So, you're saying that according to the these results that because only 27% of Americans think illegal immigration is a problem, it is, in fact, not a problem?

I see you often attacking folks on these type threads that are vocal about their opposition to illegal immigration and using limp policies such as that proposed by President Bush to remedy same. Are you actually in favor of all the illegals flooding our country?

"Diseases desperate grown/By desperate appliance are relieved, Or not at all."

[spodefly]

At least you caught the humor.

[B4Ranch]

Free Republic Opinion Poll: What is your opinion regarding immigration:

Composite Opinion
Illegal immigration is the problem.	33.8%		1,011
Seal and militarize borders.	33.0%		988
Borders should be closed.	15.7%		469
Immigration should be reduced.	10.1%		301
Borders should be open.	4.0%		121
Immigration is not a big issue.	3.4%		102
	100.0%		2,992
Member Opinion
Illegal immigration is the problem.	33.8%		997
Seal and militarize borders.	32.9%		972
Borders should be closed.	15.7%		463
Immigration should be reduced.	10.1%		298
Borders should be open.	4.0%		119
Immigration is not a big issue.	3.4%		101
	99.9%		2,950
Non-Member Opinion
Seal and militarize borders.	38.1%		16
Illegal immigration is the problem.	33.3%		14
Borders should be closed.	14.3%		6
Immigration should be reduced.	7.1%		3
Borders should be open.	4.8%		2
Immigration is not a big issue.	2.4%		1
	100.0%		42

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Ouch

[Kozak]

My point is, you seem to feel the rules are optional for you. YOU lecture on name calling and courtesy, when engaging in it yourself. Play by the rules or not, but don't lecture unless you can abide by your own standard, okay?

[Howlin]

So, you're saying that according to the these results that because only 27% of Americans think illegal immigration is a problem, it is, in fact, not a problem?

No, I am saying that in the real world, it's not the number one problem that the posters on these threads try to insist it is.

Are you actually in favor of all the illegals flooding our country?

Nice try.

[Howlin]

My point is, you seem to feel the rules are optional for you

Actually, I didn't bring up the rules; I merely pointed out that the poster who was "upset" that I called him a liar had already lied about me.

Reading comprehension is a wonderful thing.

[Kozak]

Parse it how you will, but you can't deny the fact that many directly benefit from illegals, without any intermediary, no evil cabal of "employers". Lots of blame to go around here.

[B4Ranch]

>>Once more, I'm not playing that stupid game where you make a statement and try to make me defend it.

If you are claiming I said that, prove it.<<

Is it uncomfortable when I turn your style around on you? You are constantly calling people names who want something done about the illegal aliens. You try to protect the President, who is capable of protecting himself from people such as myself.

By protecting him you are agreeing with his policies about the illegals, (old news) which I don't.

[William Terrell]

No, I am saying that in the real world, it's not the number one problem that the posters on these threads try to insist it is.

But is it really one of the top problems and many don't realize it because the effects are subtle and hidden?

Nice try.

I don't understand. I simply asked you to clarify your beliefs regarding illegal immigration. I don't know what they are. I wasn't trying anything.

Are they so irrational that you are ashamed to state them and debate their merits?

[Howlin]

Nice try, but you'll never be able to prove it as long as you lie about the president's proposal; he isn't in favor of allowing illegal aliens to remain in this country "unbothered by Immigration Officials," which, by the way, is NOT capitalized.

Since you seem intent on twisting my words and the president's words, why don't you just post to yourself.

You claim to want something done; just remember that Bush's proposal is the ONLY plan on the table, so if you're not willing to work with it, you're for the status quo, which is what I would guess anyway.

If you manage to defeat his plan -- or any plan that doesn't reflect your narrow view -- I presume you're going to stop whining about him not doing anything, right? NOT.

[Howlin]

You said you've read my posts; unless you're one of the ones who insisted on twisting words, you know what they are.

I support ANY plan that makes it better than it is now.

And I am able to face the fact that there is never going to be a "plan" where authorities go door to door, dragging illegals back over the border.

[drt1]

I'm not parsing it or otherwise trying to cloud the argument. The employers ARE the chief beneficiaries of this practice.

Example - When my lawn service employs Illegals to perform some of that work that 'No American will do' the service does not reduce the price to me by the amount he has 'Saved' by avoiding taxes and paying the Laborers a lower wage than it would otherwise be. No, he pockets the difference between his reduced costs and the price he has always charged for his service. And, when the accounting is complete, these workers are probably not as badly paid as the comparable Legal Worker is on an after tax basis. The Illegal is usually paid in cash and pays no taxes so he probably does near as well as the Legal who pays the taxes.

These are the reasons I strongly feel that it is the Employers of Illegals who are the largest beneficiaries of this practice and, following, it is they who deserve condemnation and punishment.

[spodefly]

I support ANY plan that makes it better than it is now.

What about just enforcing the existing laws? Fine employers. Deport illegals. It's already the law.

How will making another law suddenly produce the will to enforce that law when the will to enforce laws is the root of the problem?

[Marine Inspector]

just remember that Bush's proposal is the ONLY plan on the table

You might want to do some research on that.

[spodefly]

Let's take our fussing and fighting over to this thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1338537/posts

I'm curious to see what arguments are found in favor of the Border Patrol releasing illegal aliens by the van load at bus stations.

[Marine Inspector]

I support ANY plan that makes it better than it is now.

I'm glad you support Tancredo's plan. I'm sure you'll write your Congressmen and ask them to support it also.

Right?

[ClintonBeGone]

If you manage to defeat his plan -- or any plan that doesn't reflect your narrow view -- I presume you're going to stop whining about him not doing anything, right? NOT.

LOL I doubt you'll ever satisfy these Tancretoids. They're just clearing the field for their boy Tom in 2008.

[B4Ranch]

We don't need to go dragging them out of their houses. Right here is the laws that the Attorney General needs to enforce. Or Congress could pass a law saying that anyone in America illegally has 180 days to sell what they have and leave or if we must hunt them down, everything they have will be confiscated.

That gives them plenty of time to sell it off or ship it back to their home country. Gives them fair warning about losing everything they have worked for. Leave or else.

kind of like telling the burglar in your home, "Get out before you find out if this shotgun is loaded."

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TITLE 8 > CHAPTER 12 > SUBCHAPTER II
SUBCHAPTER II—IMMIGRATION
Release date: 2004-02-11
Part I—Selection System Part II—Admission Qualifications for Aliens; Travel Control of Citizens and Aliens Part III—Issuance of Entry Documents Part IV—Inspection, Apprehension, Examination, Exclusion, and Removal Part V—Adjustment and Change of Status Part VI—Special Provisions Relating to Alien Crewmen Part VII—Registration of Aliens Part VIII—General Penalty Provisions Part IX—Miscellaneous	Search this title: Notes Your comments

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We don't elect officials to ignore the laws Congress passes but you don't seem to have any difficulty with them doing so. Why?

Don't you have to obey the laws? I sure do.