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To: Coop; nopardons; NavyDoc; axes_of_weezles; RightOnline; Servant of the 9; DustyMoment; All
Here's more from the UCMJ:

917. ART. 117. PROVOKING SPEECHES OR GESTURES Any person subject to this chapter who uses provoking or reproachful words or gestures towards any other person subject to this chapter shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.

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Click on our name, and see "in forum" why I feel the way I do. Others do too, including my husband. You can read our profile and see that we have served during a time in our nations history were there was "stress" too. We always knew the UCMJ, and we always knew our actions had consequences. Those consequences were set up to protect our troops. Not just to "punish" us and keep us from having fun!

Watch the news (FoxNews) and see why those who have served in war zones understand the importance of this too. We'd have utter chaos if we didn't have rules in the military. Spouses at home expect some kind of sanity and order when their loved ones are away at war too!

The comments I've read on this thread are some of the most immature, irresponsible comments I've ever seen. Thank God the majority of our troops serving on Foreign soil don't think like "some" do on this thread. Or like those who stripped off their uniforms and rolled in mud did!

I posted other articles from the UCMJ, and I'm sure there are more that pertain to this topic. But I have to run. It's out there for all to see. I'm sure those articles were already used to reduce the rank of one of the women involved. I for one am glad she was punished. That she is remorseful, shows she understands how wrong it was to behave that way. That she was punished was imperative and a necessity! We can;t have others follow this example. The military has to regain control of the situation and they have to do so immediately. This isn't a "frat" situation. Only someone who never served, or had problems when they did, wouldn't understand it. We don't have time to hold the hands of our troops or to psycho analyze them.

FRegards

636 posted on 02/08/2005 10:36:50 AM PST by Vets_Husband_and_Wife
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To: Vets_Husband_and_Wife
The comments I've read on this thread are some of the most immature, irresponsible comments I've ever seen.

On that I'll agree.

Now, I'll try one more time. In addition to listing Articles 80, 89 or 117, how about lining them up with specific charges in this "inexcusable" incident?

639 posted on 02/08/2005 10:40:59 AM PST by Coop (In memory of a true hero - Pat Tillman)
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To: Vets_Husband_and_Wife
Only someone who never served, or had problems when they did, wouldn't understand it.

Allow me to control my seething anger at your insipid, insulting, holier-than-thou comments while I respond. I was raised in the military; my father retired from the AF. He served in WWII and Korea. I served for 8 years in the navy and went to 'Nam.

When you have walked a mile in these kid's moccasins, you have the right to criticize. I haven't and I won't.

In 'Nam, we didn't face the randomness of IED's killing our buddies, or Islamofacist nutjobs blowing themselves and as many people as they could take with them on a daily basis.

Were these people in a duty status when this occurred, my position would be very different; I would say throw the book at them. But, from what I have read, they were off duty and blowing of steam.

Allow me to tell you the story of a nurse I knew who was stationed at Khe Sanh. After getting tanked at the O club on the base, she and several other OFFICERS went out and held an anti-war rally ON BASE. Some, the few who still had them, burned their draft cards. Granted, pretty tame by this current group's actions, but extremely inflammatory for the day. The senior officers knew not to interfere and let them blow off steam.

The next morning, just as it was with these kids in Iraq, the whole thing was over.

When you have lived in THEIR world, walked in THEIR boots, you have the right to criticize their actions.

But, you haven't and you don't.

And, yes, I was honorably discharged, not a trouble maker, never been in trouble. I was an aircrewman and repaired sophisticated electronics equipment.
642 posted on 02/08/2005 11:06:51 AM PST by DustyMoment (Repeal CFR NOW!!)
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To: Vets_Husband_and_Wife

Thank you for posting the salient facts!


652 posted on 02/08/2005 2:54:57 PM PST by nopardons
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