Nah, man, that was her cousin...
Posted on 02/06/2005 6:45:18 AM PST by presidio9
That was a point I made early on in this thread--and one that most of the presumably male posters don't get. Women cannot do things like this with male colleagues from work and expect to be treated with respect. It just doesn't happen that way. You want to be a party girl, that's fine--but it will hurt you in the long run.
The unit is obviously not maintaining even minimal standards of discipline. Indiscipline in one areas (command relationships) will inevitably spill onto the battlefield. And indiscipline on the battlefield gets our soldiers killed unnecessarily. That is most assuredly "not up to spec."
All I see is a bunch of man & women WHO DEFINATELY EARNED WHATEVER THE HELL KIND OF PARTY THEY WANT, having a 'going away party'
A few girls thought it would be fun mud wrestle in their underwear and of course the men enjoyed this (who got hurt?)
If any of those women were in a leadership billet, they just degraded themselves in front of their subordinates. A leader cannot do that and remain a leader.
And finally some poor guy and poor girl had sex in a tent
Which also involved a senior-subordinate relationship. You cannot have that sort of nonsense going on and expect to maintain unit cohesion--jealousies will arise, and that will result in (at best) slow, incomplete response to orders, or (at worst) complete abrogation of orders. Those kinds of things can quickly be fatal in a war zone.
Lordy Lordy... this CANNOT BE. The HORRORS!!! The debauchery!!! Why this isn't christian actions at all... I say we lock them all up forever... its the only way we can save the children -- think of the children!!!
This has nothing to do with Christianity. It has everything to do with maintaining unit cohesion and discipline in a war zone. If you had ever served in the Big Green Machine, chickenhawk, you would understand.
The author sounds disappointed that the pictures don't show "abuses". If underwear on the head is considered "torture" why isn't mud wrestling?
Ughhhh the media will not give the military any slack. They harp on them for everything-while they give cover up for the terrorists who kidnap and behead innocent men and women.
I would call slicing a human being's head off while they are screaming in agony "abuse" and "torture".
If somebody were to take pictures of military wives all dressed up, out together for a night of dancing, while their husbands were overseas, and then sent them the pictures, their husbands would probably be fairly upset. Nothing wrong with it, just don't take pictures. It's rude.
And, like I said, since one of the women involved is from my community, I feel she embarrassed our community also.
That is exactly the point that I made earlier. You don't care about the soldiers, at all. You want to punish her with a dishonorable discharge and completely destory her life and her future because SHE EMBARASSED YOU.
And that is why I blew up.
This writer, Brian Kates, is probably the creep who ruined the Tailgate reunion parties.
Well, she did nothing to further her career in the military. Common sense is a valuable thing in the military and in the real world. And she has been demoted from specialist to pvt. first class. I would venture to guess that even she regrets her behavior now.
Amen. I don't understand some people of this site. We send these soldiers to kill people and break things, then get upset they don't act like angels when off-duty.
Well I read the article and if you get past the rhetoric of the author and all the hearsay stuff all you have is (a) one woman who flashed her boobs and (b) 2 others who mud wrestled. That really doesn't sound like a big deal to me. If this is considered "going wild" then I was a friggin' hell raiser in my youth.
The article mentions there are 30 photos. If those are worst of them the article is a stupid waste of time.
Look, if I caught my daughter flashing her breasts I'd be disappointed, but guess what... she's at Mardi Gras this year and I would say the odds of that happening is pretty good. If people freak out over this kind of thing every time it happens it would kill you.
I would think impeachment qualifies as outrage.
Wasn't she captured and held hostage recently? I recall reading about it in the New York Times.
Those crazy Canadians! Have they no shame?
I never said that what she did was intelligent. Things that we do when we're drunk rarely are. %-)
I just think that all of this utter outrage is ridiculous.
Let me ask you a question. Do you really, honestly, believe that what she did on her off-duty time merits a dishonorable discharge? Do you know what that does to your life? Do you truly believe that she deserves that?
Or was a bust in rank sufficient?
The change occurred sometime before August 1996.
Or at least the policy was being set into place.
There are still a few SP5's, but no-one is being promoted to the rank anymore, and those are are currently Sp5 or Sp6 will likely do PLDC and get Sarge stripes.
The number of Sp5 and 6 has to be pretty insignificant these days though.
The only rank overlap that exists anymore is Sp4 and Corporal.
The difference being they're both E-4, but Corporal is considered a Non-com.
I understand what Tads is saying, there are those in E-5 rank that do not act like an NCO, and there are Sp4's that do.
Hope this narrows your search on the policy change date down.
King Kong, where he looked liek he'd had too much coffee.
Get a bunch of soldiers together with some suds and popcorn, and listen to them MST3K the people running from Kong.
Nah, man, that was her cousin...
Uh-hem. Our military is on a mission to kill people and break things. The ambassadors are over at the embassy.
After the killing and destruction, the military can be withdrawn and undergo the sometimes arduous process of assimilation into a society that scarcely understands or appreciates what it has done.
Don't joke. I'm sweating this out big time. LOL!
I honestly don't know enough about military discipline to know what she (or the others involved) should get based on military rules. And dishonorable discharge was probably too harsh of an opinion. What I personally think doesn't have any affect whatsoever on what happens in this case. And not to make an example out of them, like at the prison, but if there is no punishment, then more rules are ignored and it would seem to me that that could put soldiers in more jeopardy. But I'm certainly no military expert - just a taxpayer.
And, since she has already been busted down a rank, I think that was punishment enough. Not to mention her grandmother (and everybody else she knows) seeing the pictures. Ugh.
I got busted in the Navy for doing something stupid, and believe me, it sticks with you.
I'm still angry at the punk that took the pictures, though.
Dont forget to say "Repeat After Me. You are getting Sleepy."
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