Marijuana Lobby Grows in Sophistication (After you smoke a joint, I do Too!)

FOX News ^ | Friday, January 28, 2005 | By Kelley Beaucar Vlahos

[mugs99]

I don't, and I'm sure you don't either

Of course I don't...I oppose Marijuana Prohibition.
When you lie to them about Marijuana, they don't believe you when you tell them the truth about Meth.

I only support the death penalty in cases involving treason, rape and murder.
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[jonestown]

Will you join me in supporting the death penalty for meth drug dealers?
420 robertpaulsen

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Why would anyone you join you in supporting the death penalty for an unconstitutional law?

Actually, we may soon need a Constitutional Amendment allowing a death penalty to those among us who knowingly work for infringements on our inalienable rights. -- In effect they are advocating the overthrow of our Republic.

[robertpaulsen]

"infringements on our inalienable rights"

An inalienable right to do drugs? You've got to be kidding.

[Freebird Forever]

I don't understand...Do you want me to prove your claim is valid for you?

Don't be obtuse.

All I sought was a verifiable source for your claims as to the specifically mentioned Founding Fathers growing / smuggling C. indica. (Because if that could be proved beyond reasonable doubt, it would provide more ammunition for me as well.)

It was at that point you became defensive and smart mouthed, when you could have simply posted the link you (finally) referenced in your last comment to me.

(As an aside, anyone, myself included, who has defended a thesis or research paper in front of one's peers knows that the burden of proof is borne by the one making the assertions. Suggesting for someone to seek out the verification for himself is at best amateurish.)

Is Cannabis a dangerous drug that should be prohibited?

For adult use in my opinion, no!

Does Cannabis Prohibition contribute to teen Meth use?

In my opinion, yes it can. I've known more than one dealer who carried multiple product lines, and they had no objection as to whom they sold.

Is Cannabis Prohibition based on fact or propaganda?

Both. Anslinger's diatribes were extreme distortions. But its illegality functions as a price support. That's a fact. And 1000's of palms get greased to keep it that way.

Should we base our laws on reason or myth?

Reason is fine, but when the entire system is rigged, it doesn't carry a whole lotta weight.

[jonestown]

Will you join me in supporting the death penalty for meth drug dealers?
420 robertpaulsen

Why would anyone you join you in supporting the death penalty for an unconstitutional law?
Actually, we may soon need a Constitutional Amendment allowing a death penalty to those among us who knowingly work for infringements on our inalienable rights. -- In effect they are advocating the overthrow of our Republic.

An inalienable right to do drugs? You've got to be kidding.

No kidding. We have an inalienable right to be free of unreasonable regulations that infringe on our life, liberty, or property rights.
Those who disagree with those Constitutional principles should live elsewhere.

I've heard that Australia is looking for government loving serfs.

[Know your rights]

Not to mention that banning a substance encourages its users to use irresponsibly.

More likely, banning a substance weeds out those who are not as irresponsible and reckless.

Most likely, both effects occur; those who use a substance despite its illegality are motivated by its illegality into using less responsibly, e.g., consuming more quickly to lessen the chance of being caught in possession.

[Know your rights]

An inalienable right to do drugs?

Every adult has an inalienable right to perform any act that doesn't violate anyone else's rights; doing drugs does not violate anyone else's rights (except in the case of parents who render themselves incapable of meeting their obligations to their children, but banning drugs for all adults is no better a solution to this problem than banning alcohol for all adults would be).

[planekT]

Great post.

Here's another medical use for alcohol. Treating alcoholics who go into the emergency room to an alcohol drip to keep them from going into DT's and further stressing them out.

Again, enjoyed your post.

[mugs99]

Don't be obtuse

Chill out, Dude...I'm not attacking you. I've been posting links and references repeatedly, including on this current thread. If I offended you, I appologize. I mistakenly thought you had been following this topic and were just trying to cinFLA me.

I referenced George Washington's Diary in the first post. I can think of no better verifiable source than that.
I thought I had already put up the Jefferson link on this thread. That was my mistake which I corrected.
Good enough?
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[nopardons]

They didn't smoke it back then, they made weak tinctures of pot leaves(yes,just like tea) and drank it.

[TigersEye]

But that demonstrates the problem with the Libertarian fantasy world. They just refuse to address the real consequences.

If you say so. I don't know anything about Libertarians.

[TigersEye]

They'd rather call names, like a frustrated third-grader.

Another outright lie. Where did I call you any names? You have no morals or ethics at all.

[TigersEye]

Thanks. Good talking with you.

[robertpaulsen]

"Every adult has an inalienable right to perform any act that doesn't violate anyone else's rights;"

Inalienable rights are those God-given individual rights which cannot be taken away without due process in a court of law.

Smokin' dope ain't one of them.

[rubofthebrush]

HOLY SMOKE------>ping

[jonestown]

Will you join me in supporting the death penalty for meth drug dealers?
420 robertpaulsen

Why would anyone you join you in supporting the death penalty for an unconstitutional law?
Actually, we may soon need a Constitutional Amendment allowing a death penalty to those among us who knowingly work for infringements on our inalienable rights. -- In effect they are advocating the overthrow of our Republic.

An inalienable right to do drugs? You've got to be kidding.

No kidding. We have an inalienable right to be free of unreasonable regulations that infringe on our life, liberty, or property rights.

Inalienable rights are those God-given individual rights which cannot be taken away without due process in a court of law.

Show us the Constitutional due process used in making the war on drugs.

Smokin' dope ain't one of them.

So you and big brother claim, without Constitutional foundation for your infringements on our liberties.

[mugs99]

They didn't smoke it back then, they made weak tinctures of pot leaves(yes,just like tea) and drank it

Really? Well muggle my pipe and pass the tea!

[nopardons]

Yes,REALLY and the infusions or tinctures were VERY weak and wouldn't give you a high.They were weaker than what you'd think and you'd get a higher "buzz" drinking an espresso.

Unfortunately,all you pro-pot people,when talking about how it was medicinally used 300 years ago,don't know what you're talking about and should just keep quite.

[mugs99]

Unfortunately,all you pro-pot people,when talking about how it was medicinally used 300 years ago,don't know what you're talking about and should just keep quite

Jump into this thread a little late? Links and references to historical documents have been posted.

I take it you agree with:
"Marijuana is the most violence causing drug in the history of mankind. Most marijuana smokers are Negroes, Hispanics, Filipinos and entertainers. Their Satanic music, jazz and swing, result from marijuana usage. This marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations with Negroes." Harry J. Anslinger, Director, Federal Bureau of Narcotics

ROFL!
Is our noise drowning out your propaganda?
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[nopardons]

No,I never said that I agreed with that.

I've been posting to these threads longer before you EVER found FR,so no,I'm not "late";just adding a bit of factual history,as is my wont,to the crazies posts.It helps the lurkers to see the facts,instead of your gibberish. ;^)