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To: Once-Ler
Frankly, I see Mexico having a revolution or civil war within 5 years. Of course the Commies in Cuba and some other South American countries will be rushing arms in to support their side.
So why not seal the borders, start deportations, just let her rip while we have a conservative (mostly) in office?
I have family members buried in France, who died for freedoms cause. Maybe it's time for the Mexican people to reach that plateau? My heart goes out to the families in Mexico who have to say to their sons: "There is nothing here in Mexico for you. You must go north and clean toilets for the gringos. It is the only way you can have a decent life my son(s)"
119 posted on 02/01/2005 1:50:47 AM PST by investigateworld (Babies= A sure sign He hasn't given up on mankind!)
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To: investigateworld
I have family members buried in France, who died for freedoms cause. Maybe it's time for the Mexican people to reach that plateau?

I can understand that argument, and I could make a good case for and against that point, but Mexico's best interests are not high on my list of considerations. Even if I grant that Mexico would be better off if we deported all the illegals(I don't), There are American economic interests and political realities to contend with.

We can both agree that illegal immigration is detrimental to America and Mexico in many ways, but it is shortsighted to believe that illegal immigration has no benefits at all. It wouldn't be tolerated if it didn't have benefits.

I believe illegal immigration is caused by arbitrary and unresponsive immigration quotas. These quotas cause a shortage of labor which in turn cause a great incentive for border crossings and unscrupulous business practices. The America birth rate is under sustainability levels. With legal and illegal immigration we rose only 1% in population last year. This limits our economic growth.

I think most American can agree that illegals who are drug dealers, gang members, welfare cheats, or just plain unproductive should be deported. Where you and I differ is the best method to solve the problem of illegals who are already here and future border crossings. I believe making it easier to enter and work legally from Mexico will reduce illegal immigration. I believe we should allow some productive illegals an opportunity to enter legally. Do they deserve it? No, but practicality is an issue. They are already trained in their jobs and there integration to American society will be easier.

Dubya's guest worker program will make finding unregistered illegals easier by eliminating the need to find illegals who have registered. Deporting the criminal and parasite illegals is unlikely to make things better for Mexico but I prefer them in Mexico.

142 posted on 02/01/2005 3:03:03 AM PST by Once-Ler (Beating a dead horse for NeoCon America)
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To: investigateworld
It's actually sad --- people who once had their own little ranches and farms are now landless peasants --- their best hope is to get over to the USA and become someone's cheap servant. Benefits only those who want to benefit financially from the cheapest labor possible --- and of course the greedy Mexican oligarchs who fill their Swiss bank accounts very well from the riches of Mexico --- which they care nothing else for but the money they're getting.

And massive immigration isn't making anything better at all.

160 posted on 02/01/2005 5:51:26 AM PST by FITZ
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