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To: fortheDeclaration

***So then, according to Calvinism God is a liar, since man is unable to repent, not that he will not.

God never commands anything that we are unable to do, only unwilling.***

Wrong. That is, unless you think that a man who was crippled and unable to get up was just being lazy. Still, we do record the Lord commanding the man to get up.

Also, we do have the command "Be ye therefore perfect" as well. So, just to get this straight you think that man naturally possesses the ability to be perfect as the Father but man just doesn't want to be perfect?

And you wonder why Arminians get accused by the Calvinists of being Pelagians.

In the service of the Lord,
Christian.

P.S. Now might be a good time to hit another mulligan and accuse me of distoring your Arminian theology.


983 posted on 01/30/2005 8:15:37 AM PST by thePilgrim
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To: thePilgrim; fortheDeclaration; P-Marlowe; Buggman
man naturally possesses the ability to be perfect

BTW, another strawman you've constructed...putting words in ftD's mouth that he didn't even marginally utter.

First, the issue you seem to stumble over with both faith and perfection is the word "natural," as you've stated again above. I don't think ftD ever used the word "natural." However, God doesn't command totally depraved man NOT to murder because He thinks they cannot obey that command. He thinks they can.

So far as I know, there are many who have not murdered. You are probably one of them.

The command to be "perfect" is a legitimate command, but as you might guess, no being except God will ever attain to the perfection of God.

I surmise from that that I must look for some other meaning regarding God's intent, since I think we're not held accountable for what we are totally unable to do anything about.

992 posted on 01/30/2005 12:54:18 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: thePilgrim; xzins
Wrong. That is, unless you think that a man who was crippled and unable to get up was just being lazy. Still, we do record the Lord commanding the man to get up.

Yea, and the man got up!

LOL!

1,006 posted on 01/31/2005 4:20:12 AM PST by fortheDeclaration
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