Position X: All the Father decrees to become believers.
Position Y: All the Father sees becoming believers.
One is not more logical as an answer than the other. Both make perfect sense.
Therefore, the best choice for me is the choice that most aligns with scripture.
Each position above is an adequate answer to the verse: All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out. .
So God stands around and waits to see who "accepts or rejects" Him? Man must act first, then the Creator responds to the creature?
If God doesn't want the eventual outcome, re: saved and unsaved, He could at any time change the circumstances that have brought one to faith and another to damnation.
Unless He's just playing games.
You, x, are American, white, healthy, robust, intelligent, loved and saved.
The sick and faithless reprobate in Calcutta who was orphaned at the age of three and put out onto the streets to sell his body for food and now lays dying of AIDS, unloved, unsaved and unconscious, has chosen by his own free will to deny Christ and was JUST as capable and enabled by God as you were to "choose" correctly???
No, none whom the Father has given to the Son can be lost. The dying of Calcutta and Cleveland and Cologne will be saved exactly like you have been saved -- by the grace of God alone, ordained by Him from before the foundation of the world, according to His good pleasure alone.
Sorry X, I don't see the various positions at all. The scriptures in John 6 do not say "The Father gives all who chooses the Son to the Son". (Doesn't that sound the least bit silly?)
There are some very black and white scriptures in John and only one interpretation if you're willing to accept it. It is supported in John ? where Jesus said, "You did not choose me but I chose you." and in Acts 13 and other places. If you don't accept it you either have to ignore those verses like I did or you have to invent some crazy reasoning to support your theology. I've never invented crazy reasoning.
For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me, for he wrote of me. But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words? (Jn.5:46-47)