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To: Buggman; xzins; Dr. Eckleburg; P-Marlowe; OrthodoxPresbyterian; thePilgrim; RnMomof7

Ooooooo, a trap! I should have saw it coming.

I'm not saying your incorrect but you may wish to check your list of references. Just a quick perusal of your list I see a number of Pelegians and, in some cases, officially deemed heretics (Chrysostom). I don't think this is an objective crowd as you may feel.

But I'm off now. I'll try to look into this matter soon.


899 posted on 01/28/2005 1:04:41 PM PST by HarleyD (aka Codename: Heretic Harley-Ignorant Savage)
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To: HarleyD
Yes, but you also see John Calvin in this list you've dismissed as a bunch of heretics, along with a number of theologians even the most ardent Calvinist couldn't object to. As for Crysostom, et. al., I think Olsen quotes them because they were native Greek speakers and happened to comment on this passage, which makes them useful in discussing the linguistics regardless of their orthodoxy.

The point is that this particular Greek construct, though invisible in the English translation, has been widely-known among authors of many POVs, including Calvinists, for twenty centuries. Ergo, there's absolutely no creedence for believing that the "faith" is the "gift of God" spoken of in this passage.

But in any case, don't take my word for it--go check it out for yourself.

901 posted on 01/28/2005 1:26:10 PM PST by Buggman (Your failure to be informed does not make me a kook.)
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