[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

The "act" of becoming saved is nothing more than choosing to trust God's provision of your salvation after He has taken the initiative in reaching you (i.e. through the Holy Spirit).

Well, the Bible teaches that while a Man is yet Spiritually-Dead, he NEVER "chooses to Trust God".

So, are you admitting that IN ORDER TO "choose to Trust God", a Man must FIRST be "Born Again" (i.e., Quickened unto Spiritual Life by the Holy Spirit)?

[xzins]

We've gone through this spiritually dead stuff before.

The Philippian jailer discussion in which it was impossible for anyone to maintain that Paul did not FIRST say to the Jailer, "believe in the Lord Jesus Christ...."

This spiritually "dead" man was guided preveniently by the grace of God to see his need and so he asked, "What must I do to be saved?" (NOT coincidentally, the title of this thread and of Dwight Moody's sermon.)

Incidentally, do you consider that Dwight Moody was a heretic?

[Buggman]

So, are you admitting that IN ORDER TO "choose to Trust God", a Man must FIRST be "Born Again" (i.e., Quickened unto Spiritual Life by the Holy Spirit)?

Nope. One is born in the Spirit by choosing to trust in God after He has extended His initiative. Without God first taking the initiative, no man comes to Him, I agree--but once He has done so, the Scriptures are plain that a person can refuse His offer of salvation.

But I see that once again you dodge actually providing an answer to Paul in Romans 4 and Ephesians 2, this time by trying to change the subject. Are you conceeding that faith is not a work in God's eyes? Until you answer this, I see no reason to retread the "spiritually dead" argument, which we've already beaten to death in our various debates.