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To: jkl1122
"You would rather point to denominational "experts" for proof than deal with what Christ said in His Word."

Don't give me this bibber-babber. These are people from multiple denominations. They've showed you what the Greek said but, yeah, everyone is bias against your opinion.

Well if you're happy to hop around then hop on over to this verse:

Rom 10:17 "So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ."

You won't find anything about baptism on how we receive our faith and without faith it is impossible to please Him. But you'll probably ignore that just as you've ignored other examples in Acts.

816 posted on 01/27/2005 3:58:45 PM PST by HarleyD (aka Codename: Heretic Harley-Ignorant Savage)
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To: HarleyD

I have not ignored a single verse you have pointed out. As for Romans 10:17, I think that is a wonderful verse,and one that is very important to the Scriptural teaching on salvation. Hearing the Word of God, which leads to faith, is very important. But it doesn't end there. You also need to repent of your sins(Acts 2:38,Luke 13:3), confess Jesus as the Son of God (Matthew 10:32), and be baptized for the remission of your sins(Acts 2:38, Mark 16:16, Acts 22:16).

There is not one single verse that lists it all, and you can't disregard some verses and cling to others. I have not tried to do that. I use Acts 2:38 a lot since it is the first recorded time in the New Testament where we are shown what needs to be done to come to Christ.

You still have not listed a single translation of the New Testament that translates Acts 2:38 to say "because of the remission of sins". I take that to mean there are no such translations. I find that odd since you claim that these Greek "experts" have shown that it absolutely means "because of" and not "for". And, if you take into consideration that a large majority of those who were working on the Biblical translations that we have probably believed the same way that you do, it is even more odd that the verse is always translated as "for the remission of sins". The only logical explanation is that the original Greek is very clear on the meaning.


842 posted on 01/28/2005 5:48:25 AM PST by jkl1122
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To: HarleyD

You don't receive faith by being baptized, faith comes before baptism, as does repentance and confession.

Also, since you have yet to show me a translation of Acts 2:38 that renders it "because of the remission of your sins", I will take that to mean there is not one, correct?


895 posted on 01/28/2005 12:20:06 PM PST by jkl1122
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