If there was some confusion in the analogy, it was quickly corrected in the following post.
But, the point of the analogy was made very clear, that you had a gift made (that you did not earn) but had to approbiate it in order to use it.
Now, if you want to play little word games and show how clever you can be by not getting the point, move on, I do not have any more time to waste with you.
It is clear from your posts with others, that you think you are a very 'smart' guy who thinks he knows alot more then you really do.
I'm just going on EXACTLY what you told me in the beginning. You told me that the million dollars was in MY bank account. Now, you tell me that the million isn't in my account.
Ok, so then make the adjustment, the money is an account (lets say Swiss)
When you figure out exactly what it is that YOU believe, you be sure and get back to me. Ok!
It is.
***Now, that is quite amazing. You know its there-how?*** Well, I think that is self evidently obvious. You know that your debt has been paid because you don't get sent to debtors prison. This analogy isn't hard, ftd.
Fine, so your debt has been paid by a generous individual.
***You have to believe to get saved, believe in the Person and Work of the saviour.*** This is exactly the backward way that Arminians read such passages as John 10:26. In point of fact, people don't believe BECAUSE they are not sheep, exactly and explicitly as such passages as John 10:26 say.
Oh, is that right!
What must I do to be saved? Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ (Acts.16)
Nothing like taking a passage out of context.
Salvation is through faith, and by faith not before it.(Rom.3:25, Rom.5:1, Eph.2:8-9)
As for Jn.10:27, Jesus never says they can't believe only that they won't.
Thus, because those Jews would not believe they were not Christ's sheep.
In fact,in vs 38, Christ again exhorts them to believe in Him.
There is nothing in John 6 or 10 that states that God regenerates before faith, or only the elect can believe.
Let's look at the modified analogy again: "Let us say that you owe a million dollars and that if you don't pay, you will be cast into debtors prison until the full debt is paid. Some man comes along and pays your debt. There is not any requirement for you to accept this gift; it was legally applied to your account for your benefit. All you must do is enjoy the gift. Now, that makes more sense than this bank job weirdness."
Nothing wrong with the analogy as it stands.
Someone stands in and pays your debt, but that only goes to one side of the problem, removal of sin.
You also need God's righteousness to enter into heaven (Jn.3:3-4, Matt.5)
So, the unbelievers debt has also been paid (Heb.2:9, 1Jn.2:2, Rom.5:15), yet they do not believe it and continue to try and work to pay it off.(it is too good to be true)
Or analogy does show the issue of grace, that someone else pays the debt, but that is all it shows.
It doesn't show that only a particular debtor debt has been paid (and the subject was unlimited vs limited atonement) or that the person who has had his debt paid accepts the fact that he is now legally debt free.
First off, I'll point out that in your silly analogy you did EXACTLY say that "I put a million dollars in your bank account." I correctly pointed out that if the million is in MY account, then there is nothing I need do further. Of course, realizing that you had talked yourself into a corner, you've tried to change your analogy. Well, I've modified it for you to make it Biblical so there is no need now for you to contradict yourself. Simply admit that you had it all wrong and embrace something better. Just look... Luke 7:41 "There was a certain creditor who had two debtors. One owed five hundred denarii, and the other fifty. And when they had nothing with which to repay, he freely forgave them both. Tell Me, therefore, which of them will love him more?" Now, the Lord Jesus used this analogy of a freely forgiven debt more than once. And, not once in any of the times did the Lord use the analogy was there an element of the debtor having to accept the gift of the payment in order for it to actually apply to him. It is just not to be found. IOW, you are just making up stuff which has no Biblical relevance. To be honest, it is in effect adding an unBiblical requirement to the gospel. Now, I'm sure you will note if you check The Parable of the Unforgiving Servant in Matthew that the wicked servant actually begged his master to forgive him. Before you wrongfully think that this somehow helps you out, let me point out something for you. Boldly walking up to your Master and simply informing him that you freely accept his gift of forgiving your debt is tantamount to a blasphemy against the person of the Son. It is highly irreverent. The wicked servant actually got this part right: he BEGGED his master to forgive him. You see, first of all, our Master is under no obligation to forgive. To say that he is under obligation is to flat out declare that he actually owed something to man. And that is just plain blasphemy. Secondly, there is a big difference between begging for forgiveness and informing your master that you presumptuously accept his forgiveness. On both points, your Arminianism falls woefully short. This isn't hard, ftd.
What seems to be hard for you is staying on topic.
We were discussing Unlimited vs Limited Atonement, and that is what my analogy was dealing with.
You want to tap dance around and bring in another issue.
Now, faith is how we accept the gift.
No one is presumptious in anything, when we are told that is how we are to behave by God Himself.
The topic you raised was dealing with the Atonement, not salvation by faith vs regeneration.
When you can stay on topic longer then a single post, let me know.
"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God" -- Ephesians 2:8
Saved by grace through faith.
If Paul had wanted to say what you said, he would have written "Faith saves you."
He didn't. He said "Grace saves you." And God bestows His saving grace through faith in Jesus Christ.
That's why salvation IS NOT a work of man, since man has nothing to do with God's grace. Salvation is of the Lord alone.
The world turns on the understanding of a couple prepositions.