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To: thePilgrim; Corin Stormhands
***No money is going to be sent to until you claim it.*** I don't need the money sent to me. It is already in the bank in my account. That IS what you told me. And, if that is true, then it is already my money whether I go to the bank or not. If it is not in my account, then what you are really telling me is that when Jesus hung on the cross he didn't hang on the cross for any one person in particular. He merely obtained a large sum of money. Wow, isn't that cold and impersonal.

Now, are you really this obtuse?

The money is not in your account, it is in an account with your name on it (lets say a swiss account).

The money yours but it is not a benefit to you until you claim it.

Plus, it makes God out to be some kind of Publishers Clearinghouse sweepstakes coordinator where everyone wins and must come down and "claim" (your word) their prize. Talk about making the shed Grace of God tawdry and impersonal.

No, God has made all men savable if they will accept the free offer of salvation, since the debt has been fully paid.

The reason they do not salvation is not because it is not available to them, but because they do not accept the free gift.

Christ tasted death for every man (Heb.2:9)

737 posted on 01/26/2005 1:04:34 PM PST by fortheDeclaration
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To: fortheDeclaration

***The money is not in your account, it is in an account with your name on it (lets say a swiss account).***

So, let me see if I get this. The money is not mine, but it is in an account with my name on it.

Oh brother!

***The money yours...***

Did you mean that the "money IS mine?" You are starting to become hard to read.

Ok, so the money is mine and it is in an account with my name on it. Yet, somehow, despite all this, I still have to go to the bank and claim the money that is mine and is in an account with my name on it.

Maybe the account is really not my account, but some guy who has my exact same name. Maybe the bank (read God) messed up the transactions and I have to go claim (straighten things out) my money.

Maybe that is what you mean.

***No, God has made all men savable if they will accept the free offer of salvation, since the debt has been fully paid.***

If the debt has been paid for every man, then why are all men not saved? Does man still owe God something or not. If not, then there is nothing owed. If man owes, then Jesus did not pay the full debt for every man.

Man, this Arminianism sure is confusing.

***The reason they do not salvation is not because it is not available to them, but because they do not accept the free gift.***

What does this mean: "The reason they do not salvation?" You really are not making very good sense right now.

Let me modify the analogy a bit. Let us say that you owe a million dollars and that if you don't pay, you will be cast into debtors prison until the full debt is paid. Some man comes along and pays your debt. There is not any requirement for you to accept this gift; it was legally applied to your account for your benefit. All you must do is enjoy the gift.

Now, that makes more sense than this bank job wierdness.

Christian.


747 posted on 01/26/2005 1:44:44 PM PST by thePilgrim
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