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To: xzins
"Did you actually read what I said?"

You mean this:

"I believe that your intent is to demonstrate your points biblical. That tells me that you are a bible Christian and not a philosophical christian. Those verses are in the bible, and like you, we should all take them seriously and put them in a biblical context. We might still arrive at different places, and we might debate one another over how we interpreted the Bible, but, fortunately, we are all using God's Word."

Just because we all are using God's Word doesn't mean some have it correct. This sounds like some big ecumenical hug. You could say the same about a number of cults who claim to use God's Word. It's interesting how much you're willing to point out the Calvinist "errors" but no others.

The basic fact of the scriptures and one that has been the staple of the church for centuries is that if you're relying upon your own works to get you into heaven then you've missed the boat. I'm not passing judgement but people need to examine themselves toward this principle.

710 posted on 01/26/2005 11:58:25 AM PST by HarleyD (aka Codename: Heretic Harley-Ignorant Savage)
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To: HarleyD

You answered my question, but used what xins wrote. It seems you are getting confused. As for not relying on works to get to Heaven, that is true when you are talking about meritorious works, or works of the flesh. However, many denominations belief that confession and repentance are required for salvation, as do I, but they don't consider them works. Yet, they consider baptism a work, because it doesn't fit in their denominational doctrine. Baptism is no more of a work than confession or repentance, and actually is less of one, since the work is being done by the baptizer and God.


712 posted on 01/26/2005 12:04:00 PM PST by jkl1122
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To: jkl1122; xzins

OK-who posted #705? When I typed my response it showed xzins. After it was posted it showed jkl1122 although the text sounds like xzins. This is the first time I've ever seen this happened.


713 posted on 01/26/2005 12:04:17 PM PST by HarleyD (aka Codename: Heretic Harley-Ignorant Savage)
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To: HarleyD
if you're relying upon your own works to get you into heaven

If you come to the above conclusion, then you're not "rightly dividing the Word of Truth" are you?

Which is also a bible instruction for a Bible Christian.

751 posted on 01/26/2005 3:29:23 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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