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What Must I Do To Be Saved?
Worthynews.com ^ | July 11th, 1875 | D. L. Moody

Posted on 01/21/2005 6:34:28 AM PST by P-Marlowe

Jesus Christ is calling you ...

What Must I Do To Be Saved?

Dwight Lyman Moody's Last Sermon in London. Preached in Camberwell Hall, Sunday Evening, July 11th, 1875.

Suppose you do not want to hear a sermon (on this last night) so much as you want to know how to be saved. I want, if I can, to answer that question, "What must I do to be saved?" There is no question that can come before us in this world that is so important; and I think that there is not a man in this audience to-night who does not feel interested in it.

I heard a man, when he was going out the other night, saying: "I do not believe in sudden conversion. I do not believe what the preacher said to-night, that a man could come in here a sinner, and go out a Christian." Now, I want to say that I do not believe in any other conversion. I do not believe that there ever has been a conversion in the world that was not instantaneous, and I want you to mark this: not but what many cannot tell the day nor the hour when they were converted. I will admit that: they may not know the time; but that does not change the great fact that there was a time when they passed from death unto life; that there was a time when they were born [ABCOG: begotten] into the kingdom of God. There must have been a minute when their name was written in the Book of Life. There must have been a time when they were ere lost, and a time when they were saved; but we may not be conscious when the change takes place. I believe the conversion of some is like the rising of the sun, and of others like the flashing of a meteor. But both are instantaneous, really, in the sight of God. There must be a time when life begins to rise; when the dead soul begins to live.

Now, this evening I want to take up some of the Bible illustrations. In the first place, there is the ark. There was a minute when Noah was outside of the ark, and another minute when he was inside. And, bear in mind, it was the ark that saved Noah: it was not his righteousness; it was not his feelings; it was not his tears; it was not his prayers. It was the ark that saved him. If he had tried to make an ark of his feelings, or of his prayers, or of his life, he would have been swept away: he would have been drowned with the rest. But, you see, it was the ark that saved him.

When I was in Manchester, I went into the gallery one Sunday night to have a talk with a few inquirers; and while I was talking, a business man came in, and took his seat on the outskirts of the audience. I think, at first, he had come merely to criticize, and that he was a little skeptical. At last I saw he was in tears. I turned to him, and said, " My friend, what is your difficulty?" "Well," he said, "Mr. Moody, the fact is, I cannot tell." I said, "Do you believe you are a sinner?" He said, "Yes; I know that." I said, "Christ is able to save you"; and I used one illustration after another, but he did not see it. At last I thought of the ark, and I said: "Was it Noah's feelings that saved him? Was it Noah's righteousness that saved him, or was it the ark?" "I see it, now," said he; "I see it." He got up and shook hands with me, and said: "Good-night: I must go. I have to go away by the train to-night; but I was determined to be saved before I went. I see it now."

A few days after, he came and touched me on the shoulder, and said, "Do you know me? " I said, "I know your face, but do not remember where I have seen you." He said, "Do you not remember the illustration of the ark? I said, " Yes." "It has been all light ever since," said he. "I understand it now. Christ is the Ark; He saves me; and I must get inside Him." When I went down to Manchester again, and talked to the young friends there, I found he was the brightest light among them.

Let me take another illustration. There was the blood in Goshen. God says, "When I see the blood I will pass over you." Now He does not say, "When I see Moses' feelings, or the feelings of the people, I will pass over you"; or, "When I see you praying and weeping, I will pass over you"; but, "When I see the blood I will pass over you." It was the blood that saved them, not their righteousness. And a little child by that blood in Goshen was just as safe as Moses or Aaron or Joshua or Caleb. It was the blood that saved them. Look! there is the Jew taking the hyssop. He dips it in the blood, and strikes it on the doorpost. One minute it is not there: the next it is there. The moment the blood is there they are saved. God says, "When I see the blood I will pass over you." Some people say, "If I were only as good as that minister I should feel so safe" or, "If I were only as good as that mother in Israel who has been praying fifty years for the poor and unfortunate, should I not feel very safe? " My friends, if you are behind the blood, you are as safe as any man or woman who has been praying for fifty years. It is not their righteousness and good works that are going to save them. They never saved any one. God says, "When I see the blood I will pass over you." [ABCOG: Moody understands "pass over" to mean "bypass". It can also mean "hover over to protect"] And when I am sheltered behind the blood, then I am saved; and if I am not sheltered behind the blood, I am not saved. That was instantaneous, was not it? God says, "When I see the blood, it shall be a token, and I will not enter." Death came down and passed over Egypt; and where the blood was on the doorpost he passed by; but where the blood could not be found, in he went and took the victim away. The great palaces could not keep out death; wealth and position could not keep out death. He went and took the Crown Prince of Egypt; he took the richest and the poorest, the highest and the lowest. Death makes no distinction, except a man is behind the blood.

My friends, be wise to-night, and get behind the blood. The blood has been shed. The blood is on the mercy-seat; and while it is there you can be saved. God is imputing to His Son your trespasses and sins. He says, "I will look at the blood on the mercy-seat." Press in, my friends; make haste and get in tonight; for the Master of the house will rise up by-and-by and shut to the door, and then there will be no hope.

Take another case. When Israel went over Jordan, God told Joshua to have six cities of refuge; three on each side of Jordan. They were to be built on a hill, where they could be seen at a great distance, and the gates were to be kept open day and night. All obstacles were to be kept out of the way, the highway was to be kept in repair, the bridges and everything in good condition, so that nothing should hinder a poor man flying to the city of refuge. If a man killed another in those days, it was considered a great disgrace if the nearest relative did not take vengeance. "An eye for an eye, and a booth for a tooth." If a man killed another, the next kinsman was bound to put him to death. But if he could escape to a city of refuge he was tried, and if it was found he had not intentionally killed the man, he might live.

Now for my illustration. Suppose I have killed a man. I am out away in the woods working, and my axe slips out of my hand, and kills the man working with me. I know that his kinsman, his brother, is not far away. The news will soon reach him that I have killed his brother. What shall I do? I start for the city of refuge, over there away on the hill, ten miles off. I run - and we are told that in those days there used to be signposts with the word " Refuge," written in great red letters, so that a man might read as he ran; he need not stop. I have been told that there was a finger pointing towards the city, and a man who could not read might see the hand. A man does not have to learn to read before he can be saved. I see that hand; it is pointing to the city of refuge. The gate is wide open, but it is ten miles away. I leap over the highway. I do not look behind, to the right hand or to the left. I do not listen to this man or to that man, but, like John Bunyan, I put my fingers in my ears. The avenger has drawn his sword, and is on my track. I leap over into the highway; and, pretty soon, I can hear him behind me, Away I go, over that bridge, across that stream, up that mountain, along that valley, - but I can hear him coming nearer and nearer. There is the watchman; I can see him on the wall of the city. He gives notice to the inhabitants that a refugee is coming. I see the citizens on the wall of the city watching, and when I get near I hear them calling, "Run, run! Escape, escape! He is very near you! Run! escape!" I press on; leap through the gate of the city; and at last I am safe. One minute I am outside, and the next I am inside. One minute I am exposed to that sword; it may come down upon me at any minute: the next minute I am safe. Do I feel any difference? I feel I am behind the walls: that is the difference. It is a fact. There I am. The avenger can come up to the gates of the city, but he cannot come in. He cannot lay his sword upon me. The law of the land shields me now. I am under the protection of that city; I have saved my life; but I had no time for lingering.

A great many of you are trying to get into the city of refuge, and there are enemies trying to stop you, But do not listen to them. Your friends tell you to escape. Make haste! Delay not for a single moment!

In our country, before the war, when we had slavery, the slaves used to keep their eye on the north star. If a slave escaped to the Northern States, his old master could come and take him back into slavery. But there was another flag on American soil, and if they could only get under that flag they were for ever free. It is called the Union Jack. If they could only get as far north as Canada they were free; therefore they kept looking towards the north star. But they knew if they only got into the Northern States, there might be some one ready to take them back. So it is with every poor sinner who wants to come to Christ. Many men do all they can to hinder him; others will cheer him on. Let us help every man towards the north star. A man has escaped: perhaps he swims across the Mississippi river, or crosses the Ohio river in a little canoe. The master hears of it, and he takes his hounds and sets them on his track, and begins to hunt him down. The slave hears the hounds; and he knows that his master is coming to take him back to slavery. The line is a mile or two away. He escapes as fast as he can. He runs with all his might for the frontier, over hedges and ditches and rivers; away he goes for Canada. By-and-by he comes in sight of Canada. He can see that flag floating in front of him; and he knows that if he can only cross the line before his master and the hounds overtake him, he will be free for ever.

How the poor black man runs! leaping and bounding along; and at last, with one bound, he goes over the line. He is free! One minute he is a slave; the next minute he is a free man, under the flag of Queen Victoria, the British flag! (cheers [ABCOG: by British crowd]) - don't cheer, my friends, but come to Christ - and your laws say that no man under that flag shall be a slave. One minute he is a slave; the next minute he is a free man. One minute it is possible for his old master to drag him back; the next minute he shouts, "Free!"

If Christ tells us that we are free, we are free. My friends, Christ is calling to-night. Get out of the devil's territory as quick as you can. No slave in the Southern States had so hard a master as yours, nor so mean a master as Satan. Take my advice tonight, and escape for the liberty of your soul.

I can imagine some of you saying "I do not see how a man is really going to be converted all at once." Let me give you another illustration. Look down there. There are two soldiers. Now, if you bring those soldiers up to this platform, and ask them how they became soldiers, they will tell you this - that one moment they were citizens, and the next minute soldiers. What was it that made them soldiers? It was when they took the Queen's shilling. The moment they received that shilling they ceased to be citizens, and they became soldiers. Before they received that shilling they could go where they pleased; the next minute they came under the government and under the regulations of the army, and they must go where Queen Victoria sends them. They did not have to wait for the uniform. The minute they received the shilling they became soldiers. What made them soldiers? Receiving the shilling. What makes a man a Christian? Receiving Christ. "He came unto His own, and His own received Him not: but as many as received Him, to them gave He power to become the sons of God."

Now, the gift of God is eternal life. Who will have the gift to-night? When I was down in Manchester I asked that question, and a man shouted in the meeting, "I will! " Who will have it now? Is not there some man here in London, as there was in Manchester, who will say that he will have the gift? Is it not a wonder to have to plead with so many to take the gift? "The wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life." Who will have the gift now? (Many responses of "I will"; "I will.")

I can imagine one man down there who says "How about repentance? How about getting into the ark or the city of refuge before repentance?" My friend, let me ask you what is repentance? It is right-about-face! I think these soldiers understand that expression. Some one has said that every one is born with his back to God, and that conversion turns him right round. If you want to be converted, and want to repent, I will tell you what you should do. Just get out of Satan's service, and get into the Lord's. Leave your old friends, and unite yourself with God's people.

In a few days, if nothing happens, I expect to go to Liverpool. If, when I am in the train, my friend Mr. Shipton says, "Moody, you are going in the wrong train, - that train is going to Edinburgh" - I should say, "Mr. Shipton, you have made a great mistake; somebody told me the train was going to Liverpool. You are wrong, Mr. Shipton; I am sure you are wrong." Then Mr. Shipton would say, "Moody, I have lived here forty years, and I know all about the trains. He must have been very ignorant or very vicious who told you that train goes to Liverpool." Mr. Shipton at last convinces me, and I get out of that train and get into the one going to Liverpool.

Repentance is getting out of one train and getting into the other. You are in the wrong train; you are in the broad path that takes you down to the pit of hell. Get out of it to-night. Right-about-face! Who will turn his feet towards God? "Turn ye, for why will ye die?" In the Old Testament the word is "turn." In the New Testament the word is "repent." "Turn ye, for why will ye die, O house of Israel?" God does not want any man in this audience to perish, but He wants all to be saved. You can be saved now if you will.

There is another illustration I wish I had time to dwell upon and that is about looking. There is that serpent in the wilderness. "As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man also be lifted up, that whosoever believeth on Him should not perish, but have everlasting life." Look here! Just give me your attention for a few minutes. "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ." How long does it take a man to believe? Or, if you will, how long does it take a man to look? Some people say they believe in educating people to be Christians. How long do you educate children to look? You hear the mother say, "Look," and the little child looks. It does not take a child three months to learn to look. Look and live! You need not go to college to learn how to look. There is not a child here but knows how to look. Christ says, "Look unto me; for I am [ABCOG: the way to] God, and there is none else."

There is the brazen serpent on the pole. God says to the children of Israel, who are dying of the bite of the fiery serpents - "Look, and live!"

Now, there is nothing in looking at a piece of brass which can cure the bite of a serpent. It is God who cures it, and the looking is the condition. It is obedience; and that is what God will have.

One moment the poor sufferer is dying; the next there comes a thrill of life through his veins, and he lives: he is well. My friends, look to Christ, and not to yourselves. That is what is the matter with a great many sinners; instead of looking to Christ, they are looking at the bite.

It is not looking to the wound; it is looking to the remedy. Christ is the remedy of sin. What you want is to look from the wound to the remedy - to Jesus, the Author and Finisher of our faith. Who will look tonight, and live? Turn your eye to Calvary; believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and be saved.


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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Since the word of God is everywhere, why do some men hear correctly and some don't? Are some men more righteous, holy, stronger, more pragmatic, clever, pious, richer? No. Like Lazarus, all men are equally fallen sinners, stone cold dead in sin and trespass. That's WHY we need a Redeemer in the first place. Why do some hear and some not? Because God gives some the ears to hear Him with and some not.

The same reason some Christians grow and others do not.

Men choose what they desire, some desire truth, others the lie.(Jn.3:19-21, Isa.30:10)

Man is responsible for rejecting the free gift of salvation because they choose not to accept it and obey God (Jn.6:29)

No different then a Christian disobeying God in not yielding (Rom.6:16)

Or is God responsible for that also?

601 posted on 01/25/2005 1:28:57 PM PST by fortheDeclaration
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Corin Stormhands
What do you mean by 'through'?

Is the through the means of?

One has to believe that Christ is the Son of God (Jn.20:31), hence the title, the Lord Jesus Christ (Lord-Deity, Jesus-Humanity-Christ-Messiah).

One is saved by faith in Christ (Acts.16:31).

faith is not a result of salvation

602 posted on 01/25/2005 1:37:34 PM PST by fortheDeclaration
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To: Corin Stormhands

I know salvation is a gift which we accept by faith, which is not a work (Rom.4:4-5)


603 posted on 01/25/2005 1:45:09 PM PST by fortheDeclaration
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To: Corin Stormhands; Dr. Eckleburg
Imay be redundant in my posts, but your disdain for Paul's clear instructions is more worrisome. Aw c'mon now Dr. E. You know darn good and well that ftd does not disdain Paul's words.

No, I actually like them.

I like them espically in context.

604 posted on 01/25/2005 1:47:24 PM PST by fortheDeclaration
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To: RnMomof7
LOL!

Yes, it is by the will of God, it is the will of God that all men be saved (1Tim.2:4)

So when anyone is saved they are doing the will of God (Jn.6:39)

The Plan of Salvation comes from God,(grace), not from man (Eph.2:8-9)

605 posted on 01/25/2005 1:57:50 PM PST by fortheDeclaration
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To: Corin Stormhands; Gamecock; Reformed_Forever; Dr. Eckleburg
***For someone who allegedly spent so much time as an Arminian, or at least amongst them, you sure don't understand it very well.***

Actually, I know Arminianism better than Arminians themselves do. This is why I'm no longer Arminian. So, see, when I speak about the finished Redemptive work of God, I literally mean, it is finished. All that remains in Redemptive history is for God to gather the remaining elect before He ends this age.

When Arminians speak about the Redemptive work of God, they can only say that God had done all he can and the rest is up to man. To be true to Arminianism, one cannot have faith directly and solely in the Lord who has wrought a salvation because God hasn't actually wrought that salvation. All that He has done is make a potential salvation for every member of the human race. Making it an actuality is the work of man. Were an Arminian to actually be true to his theology and place his faith directly and solely in the work of the Lord it would be nothing more than to have faith in a possible salvation and that is no salvation at all.

The Arminian must actually place his faith in his decision for Christ. But, that is not the same thing as having faith in what Christ has already done. Unfortunately, when anyone has a misplaced faith, it can't be called a saving faith.

This is why Arminians are inconsistent with their faith. The saved Arminian instinctively knows that he can't believe in his decision for Christ, but must believe solely in Christ. In this regard he joins the Calvinist and all other Reformed believers in the exercise of true saving faith by believing that Christ has appropriated for him personally a completed salvation.

One need look no further for evidence than to listen to Arminian confessions. "Jesus saved me," they'll say. Unfortunately, this is not what his faith teaches. What it actually teaches is Jesus created a potential salvation and I must choose to accept it in order to make it apply to me. But, thank God for inconsistent Arminians.

Another funny way that Arminians expose themselves as not truly believing in their own theology is when they are on their knees. He abandons his "free will" and ability to choose to be saved and discards it like an infected appendix.

In the service of the Lord,
Christian.

606 posted on 01/25/2005 2:04:45 PM PST by thePilgrim
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Oh, no, the dreaded Romans 9:20! That makes five times you've laughed at Romans 9 in the past few months. I may be redundant in my posts, but your disdain for Paul's clear instructions is more worrisome.

I only laugh, because one of the points I have tried to make is that eventually all Calvinist arguments will end up full circle back to Rom.9:20 which is simply a way to end the argument because the Calvinists cannot get out of the illogical nature of their system.

That is Calvin's final answer to his critics as well, so you are in good company.

607 posted on 01/25/2005 2:08:33 PM PST by fortheDeclaration
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To: RnMomof7
Was Lazarus a regenerated man before he died?

Now, if you want to compare physical death to spiritual death, you have an analogy of a bunch of zombies walking the earth with no ability to will, think or act.

Total depravity is not total inability.

608 posted on 01/25/2005 2:39:15 PM PST by fortheDeclaration
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To: thePilgrim; xzins
Your buddy fortheDeclaration doesn't understand the Reformed position.

What do I not understand about the Reformed position?

Or, am I going to have play 20 questions on that question also?

609 posted on 01/25/2005 2:41:58 PM PST by fortheDeclaration
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To: 185JHP; Dr. Eckleburg
Sola Fide" is such an obvious thing. "You can complicate the truth, and convolute the story, but salvation is about faith in a perfect man, dying a substitutionary death on a cross, and living forever." Do what Romans 10:9 says, and that's it...

You are correct but with one addition, it is the perfect God-Man. (Jn.20:31)

610 posted on 01/25/2005 2:51:28 PM PST by fortheDeclaration
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Sola Fide." Certainly. The disagreement comes down to how does man possess saving faith in Jesus Christ? Is it within the fallen creature to believe on his own and thus faith becomes something smart men do in order to be saved?

Yes, smart men/women do believe in Christ for salvation, and you were smart to do so.

The fool has said in his heart there is no God.(Ps.14)

Ofcourse, faith is not a work, so you cannot claim credit for being 'smart' and accepting the free gift (Rom.4:4-5,Lk.17:10)

No more then you can claim credit for obeying God and yielding to Him in your Christian walk (Rom.6:16)

Doing something does not make it a work.

611 posted on 01/25/2005 2:56:21 PM PST by fortheDeclaration
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Corin Stormhands
Faith depends on its object.

Correct object, correct faith.

What are you trusting for salvation, the saving work of Christ is the correct object of faith.

Faith is not a sign of salvation, it is how one obtains salvation (Jn.1:12)

612 posted on 01/25/2005 3:01:09 PM PST by fortheDeclaration
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To: jkl1122



I drove to a lake, a pastor came and he dunked me .

That was the work that we had to do ...or God could not have worked.

If it was necessary for salvation.. it was MY work first


613 posted on 01/25/2005 3:07:34 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: thePilgrim; xzins; P-Marlowe; fortheDeclaration; Revelation 911
Actually, I know Arminianism better than Arminians themselves do.

You have continually demonstrated to the contrary.

614 posted on 01/25/2005 3:07:51 PM PST by Corin Stormhands (All we have to decide is what to do with the crap that we are given...)
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To: Gingersnap
"my slightly Reformed mind"

Is that "Dutch Reformed?"

615 posted on 01/25/2005 3:13:12 PM PST by litehaus
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To: jkl1122
"First of all, I am not Arminian. I claim no name but Christian."

Be that as it may there are only two soteriologies. Either you believe our Lord Jesus did everything in your salvation (Reform/Calvin) or you had a "free choice" in the matter (Arminian). I make the distinction because it is a matter of understanding where you are coming from. As a Calvinist I don't believe I did ANYTHING to earn/deserve my salvation including being baptized. It is asked of God and I obeyed.

"He is consistent, and to obey the Gospel, that includes being baptized for the remission of sins."

I can't argue with you on baptism because it is a sacrament of the church. However, baptism is not what save you (I know about the verse in Peter). If you're looking at baptism as an opportunity to "prove yourself" to God and believe this is what will save you, you are sadly misinformed. If you're looking at baptism as a method to identify yourself with Christ then I rejoice.

616 posted on 01/25/2005 3:14:37 PM PST by HarleyD
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To: jkl1122; HarleyD
Since the Bible is the inspired Word of God, these two verses must not contradict each other. They must be in harmony. Correct? Therefore, there must be common teaching in each of these verses. Romans 10:9 mentions confession and belief. Acts 2:38 mentions repentance and baptism for the remission of sins. These two verses together cover everything I mentioned as being required for salvation. So why do you want to cling to one verse and ignore the other?

Can you se the irony in that statement? ONE PLACE Baptism for the remission of sin is used... and YOU chose to ignore the many many times where the teaching is clear it is by faith/belief.

So it is not Harley cherry picking a verse it is YOU

Jhn 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
Jhn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Jhn 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Jhn 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
Jhn 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

Jhn 6:28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? 29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
Jhn 6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
Jhn 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Act 13:39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.
Act 15:7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men [and] brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe. :8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as [he did] unto us;
Act 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
Rom 3:22 Even the righteousness of God [which is] by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
Rom 3:26 To declare, [I say], at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
Rom 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Rom 4:16 Therefore [it is] of faith, that [it might be] by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Gal 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
Gal 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
Jhn 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name:
Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

617 posted on 01/25/2005 3:23:17 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: thePilgrim; Corin Stormhands
Same old limited Atonement double-talk.

Atonment is unlimited since Christ died for all men (Heb.2:9, 1Jn.2:2)

Salvation is complete but the individual man must get under the completed work enjoy the benefits of it.

I put a million dollars in your bank account.

I tell you that it there to take out.

The money is there wheather or not you take it.

Salvation is complete wheather or not any man avails himself of it.

Christ paid the debt for all men, not just the 'chosen few'.

618 posted on 01/25/2005 3:34:17 PM PST by fortheDeclaration
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To: Corin Stormhands

***You have continually demonstrated to the contrary.***

The insight I have into Arminianism is something you won't be able to see until you recognize the vast amount of contradiction in your theology. Those who believe in false theologies never believe they do until they see the light so I wouldn't expect that you would think I know Arminianism.

In the service of the Lord,
Christian.


619 posted on 01/25/2005 3:35:28 PM PST by thePilgrim
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To: thePilgrim; Corin Stormhands; P-Marlowe

Why the need to talk about how much you know about Arminianism?


620 posted on 01/25/2005 4:11:12 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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