What Must I Do To Be Saved?

Worthynews.com ^ | July 11th, 1875 | D. L. Moody

[thePilgrim]

***And, since pgrim was almost obviously being facetious***

Nope, wrong again.

Christian.

[Frumanchu]

He says he's in agreement with the Belgic and with many others that existed in his era.

He says he agrees with it if you change the words, in which case the clear meaning of the passage is completely changed!

[Quix]

Sounds charitable, at least.

[Quix]

Hmmmmmm

[xzins]

Sorry, but I followed the conversations. I noted your side comments and the style they took. I continue to conclude they were facetious. In fact, the way you sign your name lends credibility to my observation.

However, you were given the answer to the question you posed: "What must I do to be saved?"

#208

[xzins]

if you change the words,

I disagree. He was interpreting the confession using the bible.

The Dortists developed the practice of interpreting the bible using the confession.

See Arminius' words here: LINK

[nobdysfool]

Isn't "discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart" a little above your pay grade? WAY above it?

[Frumanchu]

I disagree. He was interpreting the confession using the bible. The Dortists developed the practice of interpreting the bible using the confession.

Not interpreting...rewriting them. To change the words as he proposed completely changed the clear meaning of the Confession's statement on predestination. Whether or not the Confession was true to Scripture on this point is in this context irrelevant since what is being argued is not whether the Confession is Scriptural on this matter, but rather whether or not Arminius was in agreement with the confession. He clearly was not.

And note also that it was the GOVERNMENT that kept him in his pulpit and his professorship until the day of his death...NOT the confessional Calvinists.

I'm finished rehashing this discussion for how. I trust that if Quix is truly interested and feels it a study worthy of the time, then it will be obvious that Arminius was NOT a confessional Calvinist.

[Quix]

i APPRECIATE the input.

I hate tedious studies of ancient hitory . . . especially of a . . .

conflicted theological sort. Summaries by helpful others are much my preference.

I prefer to take my theology straight from Scripture.

Ancient history--even theological history can be interesting to a point.

Biblical era history can help with word meanings etc.

Protestant history can be helpful in terms of informing about the phenomena related to all organizations and groups becoming fossilized, dead, sterile, lifeless, etc. in 25 years or less.

[Zuriel]

responding to post #79.
To believe in Jesus Christ, one must hear (faith by hearing) from preacher(s) sent from God. And believing on Jesus is not just that he died for you and me (and that's ALOT!) but that his words (including commands) are inseparable from him.

Jesus went forth preaching the gospel. Matthew 5 is as good a place as any to start(the beatitudes), and keeps on preaching "whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them..."chap. 7:24. Then he tells the leper he has just cleansed in Chap 8:4 "...to shew thyself to the priest, and offer the gift that Moses commanded, for a testimony unto them."

Jesus came to fulfill to law. Which was not until the death of the testator (Heb 9:16,17).

Jesus told Peter "...when thou art converted, strengthen the brethern" Luke 22:32.

It is obvious that Jesus properly prepared his disciples ( and prayed for them; John 17) to "teach all nations, baptizing them...teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you..." Matt. 28:19,20.

John 7:38,39 is where Jesus prophesied of what was going to happen to people "that believeth on me as the scripture hath said...". That was initiated in Acts 2.
The very first sermon about salvation in Jesus Christ came in Acts 2. That day was the "beginning" Peter referred to when giving acount to the elders in Jerusalem after the gentiles had also received the Holy Ghost. Acts 11.

As far as others that talk of eternal security, I suggest they remove the parable of the ten virgins from their Bible, as well as the little word "if" in countless places.

God is eternally secure, man sometimes rejects the gift after it has been given.

"...few there be that find it." Matt 7:14 sounds like a serious minority IMHO.

[HarleyD]

"Arminius was a Calvinist who never left and was never kicked out. He wrote glowingly of Calvin and recommended Calvin's Commentaries above all other writings save the bible."

Yes, and he rejected just about everything Calvin wrote. A wolf in sheep's clothing.

[Quix]

Thanks.

[Quix]

Correction,

a sheep in sheep's clothing.

And, I doubt His Shepherd would be impressed or pleased with your characterization . . .

Habitual though that sort of characterization seems to be for your ilk.

[HarleyD]

You'll find no one in Calvinistic circles accepts Arminian's writings and many consider him the worst sort of heretic. X knows this but continues to portray Arminian as "another way", whether in jest or serious. As for your statement:

"And, I doubt His Shepherd would be impressed or pleased with your characterization . . . "

It reminds me of:

1Ki 22:24-25 "Then Zedekiah the son of Chenaanah came near and struck Micaiah on the cheek and said, "How did the Spirit of the LORD pass from me to speak to you?" Micaiah said, "Behold, you shall see on that day when you enter an inner room to hide yourself." "

and

Pro 17:15 He who justifies the wicked and he who condemns the righteous, Both of them alike are an abomination to the LORD.

[Quix]

I'm very confident that will not be the case.

But your arrogance will have some enlightenment from our Lord, if you are at all remotely teachable.

[Quix]

thx.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Geesh. What happened? Why is Frumanchu banned/suspended. His #307 wasn't offensive.

ftd comments that he doubts some Calvinists are saved and Frumanchu gets erased?

What's the story?

[xzins]

Fru didn't copy me on #307, so I have no way of knowing.

It could have been offline, perhaps. There generally is an explanation (whether we like it or not isn't my point.)

[xzins]

I'll try to get back to this a bit later, but it seems to me that you discount Jesus' preaching about himself and his kingdom as being part of the new era.

That seems to me to be an oversight.