Posted on 01/21/2005 6:34:28 AM PST by P-Marlowe
I'm not sure of Calvin and I have to research it later. However, your faith is a gift from God. Please consider the following texts:
Rom 12:3 For through the grace given to me I say to everyone among you not to think more highly of himself than he ought to think; but to think so as to have sound judgment, as God has allotted to each a measure of faith.
and the one the you guys usually use:
Rom 10:17 So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ.
We receive faith and it comes from God.
BTW-That is why faith is NOT a work. It comes from God.
I didn't say you were unsaved, I said it makes me suspect you are!
BTW, I'm still waiting for you to tell me which one of the many gospels you believe in is the correct one today. Seeing that I didn't know there were lots of them and you do, it might be nice to actually reveal which gospel is the right gospel today.
It says it right in the article do you have a hard time reading English?
Now, I certainly don't believe in the lots of gospels that you do. I regard Galatians far too much and really do believe that any other gospel than the one the Apostles preached is really a false gospel. So, I would like to know which one of these many gospels is the correct one for today.
Which Gospel did the Apostles preach?
As for the correct one for today, all you have to do is read the article.
Since you have delcared me unsaved and you refuse to preach this gospel you think will save me, I can only conclude that you actually hate me and are actively working for my damnation. God Christian witness that would be.
No, I suspect you are unsaved.
How can I know unless you tell me what you Gospel you think were saved by.
If it is wrong one, I will be more then happy to tell you and get you straight.
ftD, willful rejection of baptism is probably a sign that the person has not truly become a believer in the Lord.
No, faith is not a work because one cannot claim credit for it, but it doesn't come from God.
Even Calvin admitted that.
Faith is simply accepting what God offers.
Can't claim credit for a gift.
The faith that Paul is speaking in that passage is the difference in the various stages of Christian growth and gifts
Rom. 10:13 Faith cometh by hearing, it doesn't come by God.
The word comes by God.
But I do not want to make to big deal out of this since the Arminians also believe the faith comes by God, only that one can resist it as well as accept it.
In fact the story of General Naaman and the River Jordan is instructive. Naaman was told by Elisha to wash in the river.
Naaman LEFT that instruction because he DID NOT believe.
Only after he'd been more carefully taught did he return and do what he'd been told to do. At that point, there was a modicum of faith.....and he was healed.
That is different then saying that the person is not saved because he is not baptized.
There is a school of theology that believes that water Baptism is not for the church age.
It could be ignorance on someone's part as well as rejection of water baptism as being legimate.
Faith in the person and work of Christ is what saves, and Baptism is a sign of that salvation.
Rejecting the 'sign'cannot effect the salvation.
***No, I suspect you are unsaved.***
Oh, well, there's a hair splitter.
***How can I know unless you tell me what you Gospel you think were saved by.
If it is wrong one, I will be more then happy to tell you and get you straight.***
So, let me get this straight: You will get me to confess your gospel and then I'll be saved. Sounds kinda gnostic to me.
BTW, for Arminians to believe so firmly that everyone needs to have the same shot at salvation, you sure are going out of your way to deny me my shot. I guess that unless I play your game your way you won't share the gospel with me.
Is this what you Arminians mean by "free will choice?" That it is your free will choice who you decide will get the opportunity to get saved by your gospel. Does that make Heaven kinda a memebers only club by Arminian invitation?
In the service of the Lord,
Christian.
I agree with this first line.
Rejecting the 'sign'cannot effect the salvation.
I disagree with this last line to the extent that it doesn't deal with the reality of the faith on the part of the supposed believer.
If the Christian does not go into the water, those sins are still gone.
He is ofcourse, sinning now as a Christian by disobeying God's commandment, but he is a saved sinner, not a lost one.
We need to make him an honorary neener.
No, I would tell you the Gospel and allow you to make a decision to believe it or not.
As for 'sharing the Gospel' with you, why should if you are saved?
So what did you believe to get saved?
Yes, Arminus thought very highly of his commentaries.
You seem to believe there is more than one Gospel.
That is heresy.
If you don't know what the Gospel is and you need us to explain it, I wonder if YOU are saved.
If a person rejects water baptism for whatever reason, it might appear that he is unsaved (and that is reason for water baptism to show his faith) but if the person has believed he is saved wheather or not he ever gets put under water.
***You seem to believe there is more than one Gospel.
That is heresy.
If you don't know what the Gospel is and you need us to explain it, I wonder if YOU are saved.***
Help me, my Reformed brother. The Arminians have all but declared me unsaved and now they refuse to preach the gospel to me so that I can make their confession and get saved.
Perhaps they don't want me in heaven with them.
In the service of the Lord,
Christian.
Yea, and Calvinism isn't-now that is funny!
If you don't know what the Gospel is and you need us to explain it, I wonder if YOU are saved. The explanation of the different Gospels is given in an earlier post by Scofield.
As for my salvation, I will be happy to share what I am trusting in as soon as Pilgrim states what Gospel he believes in.
And you're still left with the clear fact that man's "foreseen" faith is what causes God to choose him, so the cause of the choice is not in God, but in the man. You make God's choice a reaction, and not an action initiated by God from within Himself, Who is the First Cause of all that is.
There are alot of false ones out there and you might have been deceived!
You are certainly deceived about Calvinism!
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