Free Republic
Browse · Search
Smoky Backroom
Topics · Post Article

To: curiosity

Ok. At what point did God step aside to let evolution take over?
"God never stepped aside. He is continuously guiding the process of evolution. What seem to us to be random mutations and changes in the environment are not radom from God's perspective."

Is that example of the scientific method? Many evolutionist would dismiss your statement because it clearly isnn't!

"And, BTW, the assertions in the book you quote are simply wrong."

Now see that what scares me, that my kids might one day have a science teacher as close minded as yourself and who will blindly dismiss other scientists even other evolutionists because they don't fit your indoctrinated interpretation of the data!!

„Ï Evolutionists often insist that evolution is a proved fact of science, providing the very framework of scientific interpretation, especially in the biological sciences. This, of course, is nothing but wishful thinking. Evolution is not even a scientific hypothesis, since there is no conceivable way in which it can be tested. EVOLUTION IS RELIGION, NOT SCIENCE
- IMPACT No. 107 May 1982
by Henry M. Morris, Ph.D.228




A prominent British biologist, a Fellow of the Royal Society, in the Introduction to the 1971 edition of Darwin's Origin of Species, said that "belief in the theory of evolution" was "exactly parallel to belief in special creation", with evolution merely "a satisfactory faith on which to base our interpretation of nature". 2 G.W. Harper calls it a "metaphysical belief". 3G.W. Harper, "Alternatives to Evolutiotism", School Scince Review (V. 51 Sep. 1979), p 16.
two leading evolutionary biologists have described modern neo-Darwinism as "part of an evolutionary dogma accepted by most of us as part of our training". 1Paul Ehrlich and L.C. Birch, Nature, Apr. 22, 1967, p. 352.
The British physicist, H.S. Lipson, has reached the following conclusion.
In fact, evolution became in a sense a scientific religion; almost all scientists have accepted it and many are prepared to 'bend' their observations to fit in with it. 8H.S. Lipson, "A Physicist Looks at Evolution", Physics Bulletin (V. 31, n.d. 1980).

Dr. Colin Patterson, Senior Paleontologist at the British Museum of Natural History, by any accounting one of the world's top evolutionists today, has recently called evolution "positively anti-knowledge", saying that "all my life I had been duped into taking evolutionism as revealed truth". 10 In another address he called evolution "story-telling". 11Dr. Colin Patterson, Senior Paleontologist at the British Museum of Natural History, by any accounting one of the world's top evolutionists today, has recently called evolution "positively anti-knowledge", saying that "all my life I had been duped into taking evolutionism as revealed truth". 10 In another address he called evolution "story-telling". 11

OUR KIDS HAVE A RIGHT TO THIS INFORMATION WITHOUT CENSORSHIP!!





388 posted on 01/31/2005 2:05:53 PM PST by negritochulo
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 386 | View Replies ]


To: negritochulo
I said:
God never stepped aside. He is continuously guiding the process of evolution. What seem to us to be random mutations and changes in the environment are not radom from God's perspective.

You said:
Is that example of the scientific method? Many evolutionist would dismiss your statement because it clearly isnn't!

My reply:

No, the belief I describe above is not "an example of the scientific method.[sic]" It is a religious belief, that is impossible to prove or disprove using science. As such, no evolutionist has any basis upon which to dismiss it. In fact, many evolutionists hold it. The worst an evolutionist can say is that it is not scientific, which I fully aknolwedge. There is more to life than science. I hold the belief because I think the philosophical case for it is compelling, but I cannot prove it scientifically. If an evolutionary biologist wants to argue against it, that's fine, but he's stepping out of the realm of science and into the realm of metaphysics, which is not his area of expertise.

Regarding all your quotes, they're just assertions with no supporting evidence by people with dubious credentials. Frankly, I don't have time to carefully study what every crackpot has to say. Give me a real argument, and then I'll see what you have to say. And please, don't just cut and paste from a creationist website.

389 posted on 01/31/2005 4:27:22 PM PST by curiosity
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 388 | View Replies ]

To: negritochulo
From an article entitled Patterson Misquoted
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/patterson.html

Note that not only does Patterson confirm that the creationist representation of the quote is false and that my interpretation is correct, but he goes on to point out that another quote which appears in the RQB has been misrepresented. (I only sent him the text of the one, but did mention the other four quotes in the RQB.) The quote which claims to be from a keynote address was actually from an informal talk, and is a comment on systematics only, rather than a general comment on evolution as it is represented in the RQB.

I sent Patterson's reply to the CSF requesting that they retract the quotes in question. Carl Wieland sent me a very long letter giving all sorts of contradictory reasons why the quotes were supposedly valid. For example:


"Incidentally, if space permitted, I would have been quite happy for the continuation of his quote to also go in to the Quote Book. Because I do NOT agree that the continuation shows clearly that your interpretation is correct. Nor is it fair for Patterson to comment on the creationist interpretation without a clearer definition of what is meant by 'transitional forms'..."
Wieland seems to completely miss the point. How can it be unfair to ask Dr. Patterson to comment on the meaning of his own words? What could be more fair? He is, after all, the only person who truly knows what he meant. Whether Wieland agrees with him or not is neither here nor there. As for the comment about a definition of transitional forms, the exact opposite is true; creationists should supply a clearer definition of 'transitional forms' when they quote scientists. When quoting scientists like Patterson or Gould as saying 'there are no transitional forms' they neglect to mention that they are only referring to transitional forms at the species level.

Reading the article, you will find that creationists intentionally distort scientists meanings. They quote mine. The are duplicitous. They are dishonest. They are lying for God.

It is horrendous that a bunch of cult members, who allege they are following Jesus, act in such a despicable manner.

There is a whole section in Talk Origins on misquotes by creationist activists. When you post these lies, you are violating every precept of Christian behavior.
399 posted on 02/06/2005 6:28:16 AM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 388 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Smoky Backroom
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson