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Immigration plan discouraged by GOP lawmakers
washington times ^ | January 13, 2005 | Stephen Dinan

Posted on 01/13/2005 2:50:09 AM PST by ovrtaxt

President Bush cannot push his guest-worker program for illegal immigrants and new foreign workers and still win reforms to Social Security or the tax code, congressional opponents said yesterday.

"There are a lot of ambitious plans, a lot of necessary reforms that need to take place, but this rush toward amnesty-light should not be one of the priorities," said Rep. J.D. Hayworth, Arizona Republican, who called himself a friend and political ally of the president, but said Mr. Bush's immigration proposal would hurt his broader legislative agenda.

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To: conservativecorner
"We all worked so very hard to see W re-elected, and this is how we are repaid "

President Bush has remained constant on his proposal for a guest worker program. He introduced legislation before 9/11 and had to put it on the back burner.

He spoke of it often during the campaign including the third debate.

For you to claim that you worked hard for President Bush and didn't know his position on a guest worker program doesn't sound plausible.

41 posted on 01/13/2005 3:50:03 PM PST by bayourod (The states and cities with large immigrant labor pools are the prosperous ones.)
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To: ovrtaxt

The People's Plan Is working; make your voice heard through Persistence & Determination, now is not the time to slow down or back off. Constant vigilance from those who are ignored on this issue will win the day. Right is on our side & this message has been much too long in coming!


42 posted on 01/13/2005 3:54:17 PM PST by winker
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To: conservativecorner; Texas Federalist; mindspy; mysto; holyscroller; ozarkgirl; Outland; ...

I just heard on Dobbs that Duncan Hunter took a "group" of other congressmen on a tour of the border. They're getting serious about this. There's a new poll up as well.

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/lou.dobbs.tonight/

Do you believe legalizing illegal workers will take pressure off U.S. borders, as President Bush suggests?

Yes 4%

No 96%


43 posted on 01/13/2005 3:55:54 PM PST by JustAnotherSavage (Government spends what government receives plus as much as it can get away with-Milton Friedman)
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To: FBD
"I've read an article somewhere, that it would cost around 8 billion dollars to build a secure Mexican border wall. "

Unrealistic. The article you read must have been written by a drunk white supremacist. Which website did you see it on?

And even if you could build the first "secure" fence in the history of the world that does nothing about the Canadian border, shorelines and air.

44 posted on 01/13/2005 3:57:07 PM PST by bayourod (The states and cities with large immigrant labor pools are the prosperous ones.)
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To: swampfox98
"We have lost our country, thanks to George Bush and his love of open borders and slave labor. "

What do you mean by "lost our country"

"We", meaning the vast majority of Americans seem to be doing very well. The economy is great, standard of living up, unemployment down, crime down, home ownership at an all time high, savings up, church attendance up, more leisure time.......

But regardless of how great this country is doing there will always be a few people who aren't participating. There's nothing that can be done about them. They strive on self pity.

45 posted on 01/13/2005 4:06:27 PM PST by bayourod (The states and cities with large immigrant labor pools are the prosperous ones.)
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To: Brownie74
"He is like a little spoiled kid. "

No, he's a mature adult who has performed extremely well on both foreign and domestic fronts through very difficult times and against a united Democrat/media opposition.

He's not going to let a few little demagogue House members and xenophobes prevent him from doing what's necessary to keep this country prosperous.

46 posted on 01/13/2005 4:11:25 PM PST by bayourod (The states and cities with large immigrant labor pools are the prosperous ones.)
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To: bayourod
The article you read must have been written by a drunk white supremacist.

Written by or posted by?

47 posted on 01/13/2005 4:12:04 PM PST by PRND21
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To: ovrtaxt
I just can't figure out Bush's logic on this whole issue. It's so out of phase with everything else he's doing.

Not really.

48 posted on 01/13/2005 4:14:09 PM PST by iconoclast (Conservative, not partisan.)
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To: Brownie74
" I have found some real captive audiences when I explain the facts to them. "

Facts? Do you state as a "fact" that we have open borders. If so, that's not a "fact", that's a lie.

Do you state as a "fact" that President Bush is proposing amnesty for illegal aliens? If so that is not a "fact", that is a lie.

49 posted on 01/13/2005 4:14:39 PM PST by bayourod (The states and cities with large immigrant labor pools are the prosperous ones.)
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To: B4Ranch
Bankrupting the system appears to be the goal.

Nothing quite that extreme .... just the elimination of the middle class.

50 posted on 01/13/2005 4:18:29 PM PST by iconoclast (Conservative, not partisan.)
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To: ovrtaxt
"hopefully at least gridlock on the border"

IAW, leave it just like it is.

51 posted on 01/13/2005 4:29:14 PM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: B4Ranch

Instead of shooting down the Bush plan, why don't you promote the plan/bill that you favor?


52 posted on 01/13/2005 4:32:04 PM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: ovrtaxt
I just can't figure out Bush's logic on this whole issue.

For the Dems it is to import voters. For Bush, it is to heed the business interests who benefit from cheap labor. Cheap labor is a powerful interest. We fought a war over it. From Lincoln's Second Inaugural Address:

One-eighth of the whole population were colored slaves, not distributed generally over the Union, but localized in the southern part of it. These slaves constituted a peculiar and powerful interest. All knew that this interest was somehow the cause of the war. To strengthen, perpetuate, and extend this interest was the object for which the insurgents would rend the Union even by war, while the Government claimed no right to do more than to restrict the territorial enlargement of it.

If cheap labor in the form of slaves is worth waging a war over, the peculiar interest of cheap labor from illegals will too have significant political influence. It is manifest in the inexplicable actions of the Bush Administration.

The peculiar interest dares not unfurl its banner proclaiming "CHEAP LABOR". Instead it hides its motivations, obfuscates, hurls accusations against those that oppose it, rhapsodizes about diversity and our immigration heritage, etc.

Just read the Wall Street Journal op ed pieces, and you'll see what illegal proponents are reduced to advocating.

53 posted on 01/13/2005 4:33:33 PM PST by Plutarch
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To: bayourod
Come to my Ohio city. You'll see a city decaying and rotting. The streets are filled with pot holes, and the biggest industry is the free food store.

We used to be a city that had many good businesses and companies, and people here were employed. Now we have very few businesses, and those few pay low salaries with little benefits. Most of our good work has been out sourced to China and India.

Every street is filled with illegal immigrants who only know enough to get them to the court house and plugged into the social services there - at tax payer expense, of course. Because of having to support this massive influx of illegals, our city's elderly are living on less. The food banks are being depleted, and the quality of life sucks.

Those elderly who are lucky enough to own homes are taxed heavily to build new schools for the Mexican children. Many are forced to sell or lose their homes when the tax man comes calling.

Don't tell me life in the US is good. It is Hell for most of us who are besieged with low paying jobs and illegal immigrants sucking the life out of our city. I will say again that George Bush's love of open borders and slave labor jobs for his business cronies will eventually bring this country down. If you are too blind to look around you and see things as they are, I can't help it.

54 posted on 01/13/2005 4:40:25 PM PST by swampfox98 (Michael Reagan: "It's time to stop the flood.")
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To: ovrtaxt
.............and hopefully at least gridlock on the borders

Which in essence is saying that the volume of illegals will not increase or decrease but remain the same.

55 posted on 01/13/2005 4:41:45 PM PST by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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To: bayourod

Not amnesty, huh?

Let's follow the logic. Immigrant X is here illegally. He deserves to be arrested and removed from teh country because he broke our sovereign border laws.

Bush comes along and offers X a chance to apply for a legitimate program, thereby validating his presence here.

He gets an opportunity instead of deportation.

am·nes·ty : A general pardon granted by a government, especially for political offenses.

How is that not amnesty?


56 posted on 01/13/2005 5:49:56 PM PST by ovrtaxt (Are the leftists still allowing us to say 'Happy New Year'?)
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To: swampfox98

Damn...


57 posted on 01/13/2005 5:52:10 PM PST by 4.1O dana super trac pak (Stop the open borders death cult)
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To: PRND21
Written by or posted by?

I posted this article. Are you trying to pick a fight?

58 posted on 01/13/2005 5:52:44 PM PST by ovrtaxt (Are the leftists still allowing us to say 'Happy New Year'?)
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To: varon; Ben Ficklin

What I mean by 'hopefully at least gridlock on the borders', the present state of things is better than some silly legalization plan for criminals.


59 posted on 01/13/2005 5:58:29 PM PST by ovrtaxt (Are the leftists still allowing us to say 'Happy New Year'?)
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To: ovrtaxt

May I quote you on that?


60 posted on 01/13/2005 6:27:21 PM PST by Ben Ficklin
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