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Mr. President, "Disaster Relief" Is Not Yours to Give
Peroutka 2004 ^ | 12/30/2004 | Peroutka

Posted on 01/02/2005 8:50:12 AM PST by worldclass

The real issue here is whether such so-called Federally-funded disaster “relief” is Constitutional. And the answer is very clear: No, it is not. There isn’t the slightest Constitutional authority for Federal tax dollars to be spent for disaster “relief.” Thus, any such expenditure of Federal tax dollars for disaster “relief” --- foreign or domestic --- is illegal, unlawful.

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To: Sir Gawain
"I`ll be over at your house in an hour to collect $1000 because my friend`s house burnt down.After all,it`s about what`s right."

That is a below the belt attempt to compare what he said to socialism.Go on the record than and state that public funds should not have been used after the Los Angeles earthquake some years back,starvation in Ethiopia,the Oklahoma city bombing,9/11,the Florida hurricanes and on and on.

601 posted on 01/02/2005 2:50:23 PM PST by carlr
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To: JimRed; Zon; worldclass
"Let's try a "disaster relief appropriations" vote, a nationwide public question at the next election as to whether the congress shall be authorized to render aid of this sort. Let the people decide."

We are NOT a direct democracy. We do not have referendums on issues. As a Constitutional Republic, the government must follow the rules as laid down by our Founders OR amend them.

That being said, If I can write the ballot question it would be something like this:

Each year we spend $X on federal disaster relief to people around the world who have suffered through no fault of their own. Should that amount be reauthorized again this year OR would rather have your taxes cut to pay only for the legitimate functions of government as authorized by the Constitution and you can make your own charitable contributions as you see fit?"

Even then, I don't believe that the process is a legitimate one unless it were part of an Amendment. That's our system. Learn it. Live it. Love it.

602 posted on 01/02/2005 2:52:17 PM PST by Badray (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown. RIP harpseal.)
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To: Positive
"Lastly - I saw some footage on tv within the last few days showing that the damage from the hurricanes in Florida is far from remedied...would not that $350,000,000 in the disaster preparedness fund handled this American problem?"
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We are in the middle of a world war my son..I am sure you have noticed. There will be one world power soon..I hope you choose to back the US..lest Flordia residents stop needing homes..just tents, rugs and camels.
603 posted on 01/02/2005 2:53:19 PM PST by Earthdweller (US descendant of French Protestants)
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To: BriarBey

We are rich... we really didn't need financial support.


604 posted on 01/02/2005 2:53:40 PM PST by todd1
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To: Publius6961
I wasn't changing the subject. I was responding to such silliness with equal silliness.

No, I'm not juvenile. As much as you would like to believe it to be so, I'm not juvenile. I think it's juvenile to bitch about giving aid from....gasp...tax payer dollars to a human tragedy, when you have nothing to complain about when it comes to funding pork barrel spending by the congress which dwarfs this relief money.</P>

Start some threads about the outrage of us paying for post offices in small town WV, or a million dollars for an art center in 'whatever town' Kansas before you get all riled up because we are helping people that actually need it!

605 posted on 01/02/2005 2:56:09 PM PST by KoRn
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To: Miss Marple
Just to let you know, I am paying attention to what you post. Quite close attention.

Marvelous! I am humbled by your faith in me as a teacher.

606 posted on 01/02/2005 2:59:15 PM PST by neutrino (Globalization “is the economic treason that dare not speak its name.” (173))
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To: Howlin
I hope you don't mind if Willie and I have a private conversation on this forum, but if it bothers you, go to another thread.

Since it's on a thread, its not really "private", is it? And no thanks, I think I'll stick around. Its actually fun to watch you become increasingly hostile. It would be nice to get back on topic, though. You were doing well, but you're taking a beating on these side discussions.

607 posted on 01/02/2005 2:59:48 PM PST by Doohickey ("This is a hard and dirty war, but when it's over, nothing will ever be too difficult again.”)
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To: Rockingham
"The criticism of federal disaster aid and most of the current federal budget as constitutionally improper is politically idiotic and contrary to settled constitutional law as fashioned by generations of federal judges, Congresses, Presidents, and elections. The sole virtue of the argument is that it is correct as a matter of original intent."

I'm sorry that Original Intent isn't good enough for you.

You tout 'settled law.'

Q:Do you know how many times the SCOTUS has reversed itself in the last 50 years?

A: Approximately 150 times.

Nothing is settled unless and until we burn the Constitution once and for all.

608 posted on 01/02/2005 2:59:49 PM PST by Badray (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown. RIP harpseal.)
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To: Peach
You are the same insane person who last night said that a woman who lost seven children didn't need our aid because she had no one left to support. That thread was thankfully deleted, probably because your comments reflected so badly on Free Republic.

Thank you for remembering! It makes my efforts worthwhile.

609 posted on 01/02/2005 3:00:06 PM PST by neutrino (Globalization “is the economic treason that dare not speak its name.” (173))
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To: Doohickey

Are you somebody whose opinion I should care about?


610 posted on 01/02/2005 3:01:44 PM PST by Howlin
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To: worldclass
Peroutka, you asshole.
611 posted on 01/02/2005 3:02:18 PM PST by Grzegorz 246
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To: mvpel
They were right - people are to this day repeating the fallacy that a right not mentioned in the Constitution doesn't exist.

Were they referring to unalienable rights or are you playing word games with a word that has about seventy different definitions.

612 posted on 01/02/2005 3:02:32 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: Howlin
I'll get you your dang beer!

Thank-you.
There's a post road that goes right past my house to the post office on the corner (a couple blocks away). So you can just drop my beer in the mail and address it to: "Wilie Green, Henderson NV, 89014" and I can go pick-it up when it gets here. (IF the roads have been repaired.)
BTW, better make it a can instead of a bottle, the glass might break if they hit any potholes along the way.

613 posted on 01/02/2005 3:02:46 PM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: BriarBey
I agree...you will be called stingy and unloving. lol Where was the rest of the worlds disaster relief when 4 hurricanes hit our country? Its frickin ridiculous.

Truly. The level of global aid is something like 2 billion dollars; that's about $16,000 per "victim". Is this some sort of new global insurance policy?

Such a deal!

614 posted on 01/02/2005 3:02:51 PM PST by neutrino (Globalization “is the economic treason that dare not speak its name.” (173))
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To: Doohickey

By the way, I noticed you didn't bother to list those in my "clique."

Perhaps some of them will step forward and admit they are in "my clique."

Who knows, some new people might want to join up with my "clique."


615 posted on 01/02/2005 3:03:25 PM PST by Howlin
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To: mvpel
Not so. If it's not called for or mentioned in the Constitution, the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT shouldn't pay for it.

Here's your chance to become famous. File suit in Federal District Court tomorrow asking that all funding for the United States Air Force be zeroed immediately! The Constitution says that funding an army and navy is ok, but there is no mention of an air force. It's illegal and unconstitutional. You can probably get a TRO blocking all funding within an hour or so. After all, your logic is clear.

Unfortunately, it bears no relation to reality, like most of this thread.

Wake me up when one of these turd parties elects a United States Senator. Until then, they have less juice than an emaciated orange.

616 posted on 01/02/2005 3:04:19 PM PST by You Dirty Rats
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To: kenth
At least you have people paying attention to what you post... ;-)

Notice how notorious goes so well with neutrino? :-)

Hey, I've got an idea. I think I'll run over to the neighbor's house, grab some stuff and donate it.

And then criticize the neighbor for not being more charitable! LOL!

617 posted on 01/02/2005 3:05:03 PM PST by neutrino (Globalization “is the economic treason that dare not speak its name.” (173))
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To: Willie Green
(IF the roads have been repaired.)

Butthead.

618 posted on 01/02/2005 3:06:37 PM PST by Howlin
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To: You Dirty Rats

The Commerce Clause has been used to increase regulation of goods and services that cross state lines. ...as too much of our nation's structure is based on this interpretation.

Too much fascist government power to control people and production is tied to the misapplied commerce clause. If the commerce clause was returned to its original intent -- repealing all laws and regulations that are not in synch with the original intent -- everyone's standard of living would rise. Even the politicians and bureaucrats -- parasites -- that continue to abuse the commerce clause. 

Like the income tax and IRS, politicians and bureaucrats primary usage of the commerce clause is to control the people and means of production/business.

619 posted on 01/02/2005 3:08:03 PM PST by Zon (Honesty outlives the lie, spin and deception -- It always has -- It always will.)
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To: TexasCowboy; bvw
No sir. Not at all. ANIMALS depend on their feelings.

Uh-oh. Now you've gone and done it. You used the F word in a conversation with a "true conservative." Referring to Feelings will get you a knee-jerk reaction every time. LOL.

620 posted on 01/02/2005 3:09:27 PM PST by alnick
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