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Mr. President, "Disaster Relief" Is Not Yours to Give
Peroutka 2004 ^ | 12/30/2004 | Peroutka

Posted on 01/02/2005 8:50:12 AM PST by worldclass

The real issue here is whether such so-called Federally-funded disaster “relief” is Constitutional. And the answer is very clear: No, it is not. There isn’t the slightest Constitutional authority for Federal tax dollars to be spent for disaster “relief.” Thus, any such expenditure of Federal tax dollars for disaster “relief” --- foreign or domestic --- is illegal, unlawful.

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TOPICS: Heated Discussion
KEYWORDS: 3rdpartykook; cantevenget1percent; charityscam; constitutionparty; fauxconservative; foreignaid; iamadumbass; koolaidkook; peroutka; scam; scammers; selfrighteoustwit; silliness; slushfund; tsunami; unappeasabletwit; unicef
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To: carenot

Be on the lookout for him. :-)

He's wearing a Polo shirt from a "very exclusive country club" that we would all recognize if he told us.

Yeah. Right.......LOL.


301 posted on 01/02/2005 11:03:49 AM PST by Howlin
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To: marajade

Humane? Is the word "humane" in the Constitution? :-)


302 posted on 01/02/2005 11:04:21 AM PST by Howlin
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Gee thanks. I have only read that about 100 times, and once before right on this thread.

If you agree that a woman who has lost 7 children in the tsunami needs no help because she has no one to support, then, by gosh, I will keep an eye on you, too.

303 posted on 01/02/2005 11:04:22 AM PST by Miss Marple
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To: Howlin

"Let me just put it to you this way: Jan Egeland and his group had a press conference today about the disaster and what they are doing.

Two reporters showed up and all 3 networks cut away after the look on his face said it all."

Would you go into more detail please.


304 posted on 01/02/2005 11:04:56 AM PST by marajade
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To: spodefly

Why don't you all quite posting that.


305 posted on 01/02/2005 11:06:01 AM PST by Howlin
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To: Miss Marple

I don't understand why they keep posting that either. It's not like Davey Crockett was the most honorable man.


306 posted on 01/02/2005 11:07:00 AM PST by Howlin
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To: HitmanNY
HitmanNY said: "The Feds can choose to give disaster relief or not, and either course of action is perfectly constitutional. Arguing anything else is silly."

You think that it would be perfectly consitutional to give $100 trillion for disaster relief?

307 posted on 01/02/2005 11:07:29 AM PST by William Tell
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To: Howlin

Yes I have --- he's been doing a good job that way. I believe more in private charity than in government charity all the same.


308 posted on 01/02/2005 11:07:41 AM PST by FITZ
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To: You Dirty Rats

Very well said. As I personally have a strict interpretation of the USC mindset, but I know that Constitutional analysis must necessarily include the text, supporting documents by the framers, 200 years worth of court decisions, a knowledge of history, an appreciation of practicality, as well as a wise sense of what is right and what is wrong.

Anybody who takes this disaster relief issue as a potent example of unconstitutional conduct is 'whacked,' as I like to say.

Thanks for the wise words!


309 posted on 01/02/2005 11:08:16 AM PST by HitmanLV (HitmanNY has a brand new Blog!! Please Visit! - http://www.goldust.com/weblog -)
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To: worldclass

Also, we need to decide who is running our Country. The people of the United States of America or world opinion.

I'm giving my extra money to www.anysoldier.com


310 posted on 01/02/2005 11:08:28 AM PST by not2worry (What goes around comes around!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
That is not at all why neutrino was being watched. It goes far beyond this thread and were in relation to comments made yesterday....

It wasn't a try and you didn't answer the question.

Evidently you are wrong and misguided as to why I asked the question, and you answered without the facts.

He made several comments that were a little beyond contempt. If one believes in strict interpretation of the constitution, then I think the argument exists on those merits.

The problem I have is the timing and which arguments to take to task is killing Libertarians and Constitutionalists. There is so much more meaningful supportive arguments to bring up then this one on disaster relief.

Thus - libertarians got .5% of the vote. And what did the constitutionalists get? Obscurity.
311 posted on 01/02/2005 11:08:45 AM PST by commonguymd
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To: Howlin

Well since the Legislature has already appropriated money in this year's budget for disaster and relief aid, which is Constitutional. What's the problem?


312 posted on 01/02/2005 11:09:06 AM PST by marajade
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To: marajade

There were only two reporters that showed up; they couldn't even cut away to show who was asking the questions.

Jan was a complete flat line, left to say, "Yes, the response from the United States WAS overwhelming. All the world, of course, but the U.S. especially."

And OUR helicopters being the only way to get things there.

And they need to do some more SURVEYING to see what's really needed over there.

I missed the rest because they ran a Sominex ad to wake up all up. :-)


313 posted on 01/02/2005 11:09:21 AM PST by Howlin
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To: worldclass

I sure wouldn't want to live in a country that can't, or more importantly, wouldn't help devastated people around the world like this. The world is not my domain. The world is one of those things the government SHOULD deal with. Unfortunately, they don't do a very good job sometimes because there's all these stupid, local piddly-as$ed issues our wonderful representatives drag on to D.C. (in search of money, of course).

Americans, as individuals, are charitable. We can only expect our government to be the same. Otherwise, it wouldn't be America.

What I don't agree with is the federal gubmint taking MY money and planting it in another state for things that should be voted on and funded by locals.


314 posted on 01/02/2005 11:10:14 AM PST by AmericanChef
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To: Howlin
I don't understand why they keep posting that either.

Some of them still think we're living in the first half of the nineteenth century, apparently.

315 posted on 01/02/2005 11:10:49 AM PST by independentmind
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To: Earthdweller

We went to Iraq for position in the Middle-East. World economic power!


316 posted on 01/02/2005 11:11:10 AM PST by Snoopers-868th
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To: marajade

Well, keep reading; someone will be right along to try to convince you otherwise.


317 posted on 01/02/2005 11:11:13 AM PST by Howlin
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To: William Tell

It's perfectly constitutional to come to a decision to give disaster relief, yes.

As to the amount, that tends to be up to the decisionmakers. They can pledge a $100 trillion, send a check, and watch it bounce, I suppose.

They can pledge an excessive amount and be subject to a charge of abuse of power, I suppose, also.

That's not to say it was unconstitutional, really.

Since nobody is going to do what you suggested, I think you should just come to terms with the fact that this area, when approached with wisdom and practicality, is simply not a matter of constitutional foul.

No matter how many Freepers continue to hope it is.


318 posted on 01/02/2005 11:12:01 AM PST by HitmanLV (HitmanNY has a brand new Blog!! Please Visit! - http://www.goldust.com/weblog -)
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To: Howlin

You have outted yourself as a trool and/or disruptor.

Yeah right. After 6 1/2 years on this forum you've finally outted me as a troll. I don't know what a "trool" is but assume you meant troll

You're a hoot!

Conservative Republicans do NOT need a leader to tell us what we need to do nor where we need to do it.

The President speaks to ever person, not just conservatives. I'm not surprised that you didn't pause to let that thought enter your mind.  Also, I said the President could ask the people. I didn't say the President would tell the people. Again, I'm not surprised by your dismal reading comprehension or mental acuity.

Conservative Republicans do NOT need a leader to tell us what we need to do nor where we need to do it.

You don't know you're being manipulated and like most people you're unaware you're being used.

319 posted on 01/02/2005 11:12:06 AM PST by Zon (Honesty outlives the lie, spin and deception -- It always has -- It always will.)
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To: Howlin
Why don't you all quite posting that.

I don't see that it was posted before.

320 posted on 01/02/2005 11:12:40 AM PST by spodefly (This message packaged with desiccant. Do not open until ready for use or inspection.)
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