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To: Modernman
DE FACTO SEGREGATION exists wherever persons of a particular race/religion/ethnicity are either PROHIBITED FROM or DISCOURAGED FROM a FULL PARTICIPATION in the activities of a PUBLIC ACCOMMADATION, which at that time & place are open to some other race/ethnicity/religion/etc.

fyi, a PUBLIC ACCOMMADATION is ANYPLACE which is OPEN to the PUBLIC, as a result of taxpayers funds being used "in any way" to operate/manage/fund/sponsor that public accommodation OR which SAYS it is a PUBLIC ACCOMMADATION.

"family reunions" are NOT public accommodations.

OTOH, SCHOOLS are PUBLIC ACCOMMADATIONS & federal courts ASSURRED that dixie schools, which had DE FACTO segregation, were DE-segregated by federal court order.

northern PUBLIC SCHOOLS, which were similarly DE FACTO SEGREGATED, remained SEGREGATED.

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4,270 posted on 04/05/2005 9:34:52 AM PDT by stand watie (being a damnyankee is no better than being a racist. it is a LEARNED prejudice against dixie.)
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To: stand watie
DE FACTO SEGREGATION exists wherever persons of a particular race/religion/ethnicity are either PROHIBITED FROM or DISCOURAGED FROM a FULL PARTICIPATION in the activities of a PUBLIC ACCOMMADATION, which at that time & place are open to some other race/ethnicity/religion/etc.

Okay. Well, that does not go on in the USA anymore, except in very rare cases. The DOJ is quick to sue any time such behavior occurs.

OTOH, SCHOOLS are PUBLIC ACCOMMADATIONS & federal courts ASSURRED that dixie schools, which had DE FACTO segregation, were DE-segregated by federal court order.

Such segregation was outlawed in the North, too. Just off the top of my head, I know of cases in Massachusetts, Michigan, Kansas and Missouri in the 60's and 70's where school districts were forced to change their school assignment procedures, re-draw district lines and/or engage in bussing. Desegregation in many other places in the North was not necessary due to the fact that segregation never actually occurred in some Northern states. I am not aware, however, of any Southern states that did not practice segregation up until the 1960's.

So, your claim that unlawful segregation goes on in Northern schools to this day is false.

4,272 posted on 04/05/2005 9:44:52 AM PDT by Modernman ("I'm in favor of limited government unless it limits what I want government to do."- dirtboy)
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To: stand watie; Modernman
How can someone as relentlessly, consistently, almost magically idiotic as yourself remember to keep breathing, Watie? The difference you're trying to express is de jure vs. de facto. In the south, until the Civil Rights era, you had LEGAL restrictions based on race. Blacks weren't allowed to drink from the same water fountains, much less go to the same schools because of the LAW.

In the north, segregation wasn't codified into law as it was in the south. It was practiced on an individual basis. Blacks lived in black neighborhoods and went to their neighborhood schools. Whites did the same. When white families flee to the suburbs to get away from minorities, they aren't doing anything illegal. Immoral, maybe, but not illegal. And schools aren't obligated to bus in kids from other school districts. I went to an all-white high school in a small town in Illinois. The reason it was all-white was that there were no black people living in my town. If we were to "desegregate" my high school, we'd have had to bus in black students from 30 miles and a county away. Did my school practice de jure segregation? No. Was it de facto segregated? Yes.

The other form of segregation in the north, "red-lining," does go on, although much less than before. Government and non-government organizations constantly send out undercover agents masquerading as home buyers to catch real estate agents who practice this. And if you ever talk to a real estate agent, they'll tell you that what they're allowed to say about certain subjects is very circumscribed. Penalties are heavy--fines, loss of licenses, etc.. Today "red lining" has given way to "steering."

4,281 posted on 04/05/2005 10:24:48 AM PDT by Heyworth
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