Again, it is a supposition wheather or not you think it is educated.
It is meaningless in terms of historical facts
Besides, it is Congress, not Lincoln who had control of the tax issue. The President signs/vetoes the bills, makes fiscal requests to Congress, and exercises legislative weight greater than almost any single member of Congress itself. Don't try to pretend that Lincoln was an innocent bystander to all the bills his people churned out, he advocated, and he signed.
And don't try to pretend that tax bills originate with the President, they don't.
The South was mostly Democratic until recently, and supported FDR, Truman. The entire country supported FDR, who was a yankee himself. Interestingly enough though, what little serious opposition emerged against FDR during the depression came from conservative southerners in Congress and southern political movements like the Texas Regulars.
Oh, yea they gave FDR a real hard time.
Real conservatives, like voting for Stephenson against Ike.
What the yellow dog democrats did was give political power to the left wing Democrats.
In fact, the only electoral votes that the liberal Adlai Stephenson got in 1952 were from the deep South. So were the only electoral votes that conservative icon Barry Goldwater got in 1964. Meanwhile all of yankeeland was off supporting LBJ.
And only five Southern 'conservative' states supported him out of the 11 Confederate ones.
Not exactly the 'solid South'
And being for high tarriffs was a regional issue, that both Democrats and Whigs split on. It was also Lincoln's biggest issue from the old days and one he had not changed his views on in 1860. Lincoln was a career-long protectionist.
So?
Besides the tariff what other taxes did Lincoln push? Excise taxes and the income tax.
What excise taxes did he get passed?
The income tax was an emergency one.
So, they did end it. Under threat of a constitutional showdown, which lasted until Lincoln's successors mustered enough support to amend the constitution.
And so they did end it.
They were constitutional. So is the income tax today. But that doesn't make Bill Clinton's tax hike any less repulsive.
They were constitutional.
He didn't rig the 1860 vote in which his name was kept off the ballot of the deep south states. Angela Davis' name was kept off the ballot in the deep south states (and many other states) when she ran for president. So is Lyndon LaRouche's. Being a presidential candidate does not entitle you to be on the ballot in every state, especially when you're from a regional party.
Lincoln was a candidate from a major party, the examples you give are goofy.
No it doesn't, but that is why we have elections, to get rid of bad leaders peacefully, instead of having nothing but anarchy. No election ever got rid of FDR for us. He stuck around through four of them.
Well, I guess the people wanted him then.
They had a choice and they made it.
And that is why we had the Republican take over of the gov't in 94. And yet we still haven't undone all the damage he did, so once again using your own illogic, who are you to complain about Clinton?
So?
I am not complaining about Clinton since he is no longer President.
As a Congressman Whig, he had to vote to fund the Democrat's war on Mexico. But Mexico attacked a U.S. garrison and fired the first shot. That is, after all, what it takes to start a war according to you, is it not? And Lincoln wanted to see the spot on where the troops were shot. They may have been on Mexico territory. Nope. It happened right here on present day highway 281 in Cameron County, Texas:
Well, back then the facts were pretty sketchy.
The mexicans crossed to our side of the river about 20 miles out from Brownsville. 5 Americans were killed, 11 wounded, and 47 taken captive.
Well, that is the how the history books have it written.
There was some doubt when it happened however.
Hey, you just admitted that the Lincoln tax was ended. What's to admit? It ran into constitutional problems like so many other things Lincoln did. Lincoln's successors solved those problems by amending the constitution.
And the tax was ended.
Just like the Civil War ended.
Whatever taxes were put into play after cannot be linked to him. Why not? He gave us the first and got the ball rolling. Had Lincoln not given us an income tax its constitutionality would not have been challenged, meaning no 16th amendment would've been proposed, meaning no modern income tax.
Because his tax ended
And a very sound supposition at that since it is based on Lincoln's track record. Saying that Abe Lincoln would've continued his career-long tax and spend philosophy is about as safe as saying that John Kerry would've appointed pro-abort judges.
And don't try to pretend that tax bills originate with the President, they don't.
Don't try to change the subject. YOU attempted to pretend that Lincoln had nothing to do with all those tax bills he championed and signed. I caught you and called you to task on that, never once asserting that the tax bills originate with the president but rather only that he occupies what is probably the single the most dominant office in passing tax policy - the presidency.
Oh, yea they gave FDR a real hard time.
A harder time than anybody in yankeeland ever gave him!
Real conservatives, like voting for Stephenson against Ike.
Actually the south split between Stephenson and Eisenhower.
And only five Southern 'conservative' states supported him out of the 11 Confederate ones.
...as opposed to ZERO states out of all of yankeeland, which LBJ carried unanimously and without effort. So?
So, he favored high taxes throughout his career exactly as I said.
What excise taxes did he get passed?
Several dozen during his presidency and several "internal improvements" taxes in the Illinois legislature.
The income tax was an emergency one.
It was drawn out, developed, and adjusted (in an upward direction) over his four years in office, outlived him by six years, and served as a direct impetus for the establishment of the current income tax. That doesn't sound like an "emergency" to me. Nor does an "emergency" give Lincoln the power to directly violate the original constitution's prohibition on those types of taxes.
So, they did end it. Under threat of a constitutional showdown, which lasted until Lincoln's successors mustered enough support to amend the constitution.
And so they did end it.
...quoth the broken record who cannot/refuses to think for himself.
They were constitutional. So is the income tax today. But that doesn't make Bill Clinton's tax hike any less repulsive.
They were constitutional.
...quoth the broken record who cannot/refuses to think for himself.
Lincoln was a candidate from a major party, the examples you give are goofy.
No. He was a candidate from a regional party that had no organization or membership in most of the southern states.
Well, I guess the people wanted him then.
So you are saying that we have no basis for complaining about all the insidious things FDR did?
And yet we still haven't undone all the damage he did, so once again using your own illogic, who are you to complain about Clinton?
So?
...quoth the broken record who cannot/refuses to think for himself.
Well, back then the facts were pretty sketchy.
Nah. General Taylor was very clear where he established his encampment, kept track of where he sent his patrols, and sent direct reports of what happened back to Washington.
Well, that is the how the history books have it written. There was some doubt when it happened however.
Such as?
It ran into constitutional problems like so many other things Lincoln did. Lincoln's successors solved those problems by amending the constitution.
And the tax was ended.
...quoth the broken record who cannot/refuses to think for himself.
Why not? He gave us the first and got the ball rolling. Had Lincoln not given us an income tax its constitutionality would not have been challenged, meaning no 16th amendment would've been proposed, meaning no modern income tax.
Because his tax ended
...quoth the broken record who cannot/refuses to think for himself.