It's not very hard when you go with what we know about Abe Lincoln. We know for a fact that Abe Lincoln never wavered in his support for higher taxes during his entire 30+ year political career. Based on that information and the absence of any indication at all that he was having a change of heart on taxes, it is a safe conclusion that he would not have deviated from the course he had been on since the 1830's.
I don't know, the Confederates are a pretty stubborn bunch. they are still giving people a hard time and they lost the war over a hundred years ago.
And the yankees loved to needlessly tax and spend. They are still taxing and spending like crazy 140 years after Abe Lincoln showed them how to do it.
Since Lincoln had only one term as a Congressman and one full term as a wartime President, your statment is simply nonsense.
Not at all. In addition to his term in congress, Lincoln openly espoused higher taxes during his many terms in the Illinois legislature, as an Illinois and presidential campaign stump speaker for the Whig and Republican parties, and as a peacetime candidate for President in 1860. When somebody asked him during the 1860 campaign if he was still a protectionist like he had been in the 1830's and 40's Lincoln answered "I was an old Henry Clay-Tariff Whig. In old times I made more speeches on that subject than any other. I have not since changed my views."
So they did end it.
It's unconstitutionality caused it to be ended. Evidently Ulysses Grant cared more about that document than his former boss.
The protective tarriffs were constitutional.
But nevertheless exhorbitant taxation.
And Jeff Davis did not raise taxes to pay for the war?
Not the way Lincoln did, tu quoque boy.
Well, that is why we have elections now isn't it?
Too bad that Lincoln rigged every election he could get his hands on by sending in federal troops when there was a chance the people would vote against his guy.
It is called a Republican form of Government, and the people decide the make up of the Government.
The "people" one decided that FDR made up the government. That does not make his tax and spend policies and his despotic relationship with Joe Stalin any less insidious though.
If they vote in Republicans who want higher taxes, who are you to complain about it?
The guy paying those higher taxes, which the government has no real right to collect from me seeing as it did not earn the money it takes. Using your ever-bizarre logic, BTW, the people voted in Bill Clinton once upon a time so who are you to complain about gays in the military, vetoes of the partial birth abortion ban, the 93 tax hike, the assault weapons bill, and Ruth Bader Ginsburg?
The Democratic Party was as competetive as the Republican Party and had every fair chance to win elections also.
Bob Dole was as competitive as Bill Clinton and had every fair chance to win the election.
He had two years as a congressmen and 5 as President, all of them were involved with war issues.
...and a combined three decades of constant involvement in politics as a state legislator, Whig and Republican party official, senate candidate, stump speaker, and presidential candidate. He espoused higher taxes during them all.
As a Congressman Whig, he had to vote to fund the Democrat's war on Mexico.
But Mexico attacked a U.S. garrison and fired the first shot. That is, after all, what it takes to start a war according to you, is it not?
No, because FDR made Social Security a part of the very fabric of our society, Lincoln put in a tax that was later ended.
Is the income tax not a part of the very fabric of society today? Lincoln's income tax was simply delayed for a couple decades till they worked out the problem of its unconstitutionality. It came back under his banner in 1913 and has been here ever since.
It is still a supposition on your part.
Besides, it is Congress, not Lincoln who had control of the tax issue.
I don't know, the Confederates are a pretty stubborn bunch. they are still giving people a hard time and they lost the war over a hundred years ago. And the yankees loved to needlessly tax and spend. They are still taxing and spending like crazy 140 years after Abe Lincoln showed them how to do it.
I think the South is enjoying the taxing and spending as well.
The South was mostly Democratic until recently, and supported FDR, Truman.
In fact, the only electoral votes that the liberal Adlai Stephenson got in 1952 were from the deep South.
Since Lincoln had only one term as a Congressman and one full term as a wartime President, your statment is simply nonsense. Not at all. In addition to his term in congress, Lincoln openly espoused higher taxes during his many terms in the Illinois legislature, as an Illinois and presidential campaign stump speaker for the Whig and Republican parties, and as a peacetime candidate for President in 1860. When somebody asked him during the 1860 campaign if he was still a protectionist like he had been in the 1830's and 40's Lincoln answered "I was an old Henry Clay-Tariff Whig. In old times I made more speeches on that subject than any other. I have not since changed my views."
And being for high tarriffs was a regional issue, that both Democrats and Whigs split on.
Besides the tariff what other taxes did Lincoln push?
So they did end it. It's unconstitutionality caused it to be ended. Evidently Ulysses Grant cared more about that document than his former boss.
So, they did end it.
The protective tarriffs were constitutional. But nevertheless exhorbitant taxation.
They were constitutional.
And Jeff Davis did not raise taxes to pay for the war? Not the way Lincoln did, tu quoque boy.
But he did, didn't he.
Well, that is why we have elections now isn't it? Too bad that Lincoln rigged every election he could get his hands on by sending in federal troops when there was a chance the people would vote against his guy.
He didn't rig the 1860 vote in which his name was kept off the ballot of the deep south states.
It is called a Republican form of Government, and the people decide the make up of the Government. The "people" one decided that FDR made up the government. That does not make his tax and spend policies and his despotic relationship with Joe Stalin any less insidious though.
No it doesn't, but that is why we have elections, to get rid of bad leaders peacefully, instead of having nothing but anarchy.
If they vote in Republicans who want higher taxes, who are you to complain about it? The guy paying those higher taxes, which the government has no real right to collect from me seeing as it did not earn the money it takes. Using your ever-bizarre logic, BTW, the people voted in Bill Clinton once upon a time so who are you to complain about gays in the military, vetoes of the partial birth abortion ban, the 93 tax hike, the assault weapons bill, and Ruth Bader Ginsburg?
And that is why we had the Republican take over of the gov't in 94.
Clinton won fair and we had to deal with it.
We won in 94 and we won in 2000 and 2004 and they have to deal with it.
The Democratic Party was as competetive as the Republican Party and had every fair chance to win elections also. Bob Dole was as competitive as Bill Clinton and had every fair chance to win the election.
So?
He didn't and that meant we have to wait for the next election, not get up and secede.
He had two years as a congressmen and 5 as President, all of them were involved with war issues. ...and a combined three decades of constant involvement in politics as a state legislator, Whig and Republican party official, senate candidate, stump speaker, and presidential candidate. He espoused higher taxes during them all.
Really, I know he was for a protective tarrif, but did not see any other taxes mentioned by him.
Maybe you can link me to some of his quotes advocating these other taxes.
As a Congressman Whig, he had to vote to fund the Democrat's war on Mexico. But Mexico attacked a U.S. garrison and fired the first shot. That is, after all, what it takes to start a war according to you, is it not?
And Lincoln wanted to see the spot on where the troops were shot.
They may have been on Mexico territory.
No, because FDR made Social Security a part of the very fabric of our society, Lincoln put in a tax that was later ended. Is the income tax not a part of the very fabric of society today? Lincoln's income tax was simply delayed for a couple decades till they worked out the problem of its unconstitutionality. It came back under his banner in 1913 and has been here ever since.
Hey, you just admitted that the Lincoln tax was ended.
Whatever taxes were put into play after cannot be linked to him.
His uses of taxes were for a specific, limited, purpose the Progressives had a different goal, to change the entire society.