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To: capitan_refugio
It should be abundantly clear, even to you, that slavery and white supremacy were the primary motivators for southern secession.

Sorry - I have an education, and can understand the ENGLISH language - which is what Lincoln spoke (ok, so I might have a typo here and there).

You're just a lying, disinformationist: a race-baiting poverty-pimp, a Jackson or a Sharpton, intent on inflaming a situation for your benefit, hoping to entice me and others to rise and take the bait, to ACCURATELY quote Lincoln - not once - but dozens of times - wherein he calls blacks by a very derogatory term beginning with an 'N' (even calling Tyler such). You have to, because slavery was already legal, and protected by the US Constitution - so there was no motivation for the South to secede on that account.

This from Lincoln on the object of the war (HINT: It aint slavery - it's MONEY):

The power confided to me will be used to hold, occupy, and possess the property and places belonging to the Government and to collect the duties and imposts; but beyond what may be necessary for these objects, there will be no invasion, no using of force against or among the people anywhere.
In other words, for those on your side that are mentally challeneged, as long as the Confederate States - the seceded states - handed over the tariff revenues, there would NOT be an INVASION (his own words). And this by Lincoln on SLAVERY:
I understand a proposed amendment to the Constitution--which amendment, however, I have not seen--has passed Congress, to the effect that the Federal Government shall never interfere with the domestic institutions of the States, including that of persons held to service. To avoid misconstruction of what I have said, I depart from my purpose not to speak of particular amendments so far as to say that, holding such a provision to now be implied constitutional law, I have no objection to its being made express and irrevocable.
Lincoln supported PERMANENT, IRREVOCABLE slavery to exist FOREVER as long as he had the MONEY.
2,815 posted on 02/24/2005 5:23:49 AM PST by 4CJ (Laissez les bon FReeps rouler - "Accurately quoting Lincoln is a bannable offense.")
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To: 4ConservativeJustices
"You're just a lying, disinformationist: a race-baiting poverty-pimp, a Jackson or a Sharpton, intent on inflaming a situation for your benefit, hoping to entice me and others to rise and take the bait, to ACCURATELY quote Lincoln - not once - but dozens of times - wherein he calls blacks by a very derogatory term beginning with an 'N' (even calling Tyler such)."

I wasn't talking about Lincoln. I was talking about the self-stated motivation for southern secession. Seven states had purported to secede before Lincoln ever took office. The question is, why? The answers are given by their own Commissioners to the other states. It's really very simple.

"You have to, because slavery was already legal, and protected by the US Constitution - so there was no motivation for the South to secede on that account."

Slavery was permissible under the Constitution, but was still not permanent - even after the infamous Dred Scott decision. If slavery was not the issue, then those southern secession commissioners must have been pretty misinformed - because that is what they preached to their kindred white supremacist almost exclusively - fear of the Republicans and Lincoln dismantling slavery and recognizing the fundamental truth of the Declaration: All men are created equal.

"And this by Lincoln on SLAVERY: ..."

If the slavery issue was not "on the table," then why did the Congress propose the Corwin Amendment, in an attempt to pacify the southern hot heads?

"Lincoln supported PERMANENT, IRREVOCABLE slavery to exist FOREVER as long as he had the MONEY."

Pure revisionism. Say it enough times, and you might even begin to believe it. The proposed Corwin Amendment had ZERO chance of being approved by 3/4ths of the states. Lincoln knew that, but politically he was taking the least contentious course to placate the radical southerners leading the secession charge, until cooler heads prevailed down south. Unfortunately, that never happened.

2,823 posted on 02/24/2005 8:43:55 AM PST by capitan_refugio
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