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To: lentulusgracchus
Well considering that Sumter was under seige for months before Lincoln took office, the North had every right to prepare for war.

As for bringing God in, that is an appeal to divine/natural law, the very thing that Calhoun and the South rejected when the rejected the principles of the Declaration.

Lincoln told the South, war was up to them.

They did not have to violate the constitution, but he was sworn to uphold it.

1,612 posted on 01/27/2005 3:24:41 AM PST by fortheDeclaration
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To: fortheDeclaration
Well considering that Sumter was under seige for months before Lincoln took office, the North had every right to prepare for war

Was it you or El Capitan who posted this before? Either way, I can't remember, but is it typical in Bizarroworld to supply the subjects of a seige with food and supply?

It's just another example of your hyperbolous and unsupportable crap.

1,620 posted on 01/27/2005 4:11:51 AM PST by Gianni
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To: fortheDeclaration
Well considering that Sumter was under seige for months

It wasn't. Read the chronology. They were fully supplied from town until about April 7th. "Under siege" in your usage means that Sumter was geographically surrounded by Carolinians. You really know how to kid.

....before Lincoln took office, the North had every right to prepare for war.

No, they didn't.

As for bringing God in, that is an appeal to divine/natural law, the very thing that Calhoun and the South rejected when the rejected the principles of the Declaration.

Natural law says that the bondman unable to free himself is a natural bondman. Do you ever read about the things you talk about?

Your references to the Declaration of Independence are just a truckload of discredited Jaffa-speak. I refer to you GOPcapitalist and nolu chan on the subject of Jaffaspeak -- I'm not interested in shills, myself.

Lincoln told the South, war was up to them.

You're going to make me quote John Nicolay to you again, aren't you? Lincoln maneuvered the Carolinians into firing the first shot. He deliberately goaded them into their course of action by the course of action and representations he made. You cannot look at the totality of Lincoln's activities from the time he was elected until he made his proclamation calling for troops, and not conclude that his entire policy -- the whole of it -- was to precipitate open hostilities so that he could get around the Constitution and deal with the South on the basis of armed violence. Lincoln had a war policy that belied his words.

They did not have to violate the constitution, but he was sworn to uphold it.

Lincoln deliberately took the disagreement out into the parking lot, precisely to get away from the Constitution. He precipitated a war to settle political differences.

1,650 posted on 01/27/2005 4:26:39 PM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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