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To: lentulusgracchus; Non-Sequitur
"The term sovereignty means several things. Political scientists distinguish [at least] four types of sovereignty: domestic sovereignty (meaning internal control); interdependence sovereignty (the power to control what crosses the border); international sovereignty (diplomatic recognition by foreign nations); and Westphalian sovereignty (independence from foreign control)."

"In examining the question of state sovereignty, the starting point must be the status of the states before the Constitution. Next comes the question of how the Constitution affected sovereignty. The Framers did not have a clear consensus about this as a matter of political theory. As a practical matter, however, the Constitution's expansion of federal powers clearly made major incursions into state autonomy. Indeed, if there is anything at all that is l=clear about the intent of the Framers, it is their desire to strengthen federal power."

Prof. Daniel Farber, Lincoln's Constitution

1,192 posted on 01/16/2005 2:24:46 AM PST by capitan_refugio
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To: capitan_refugio; lentulusgracchus; Non-Sequitur
[capitan_refugio #1192] "The term sovereignty means several things. ... Prof. Daniel Farber, Lincoln's Constitution

There is more than one problem with your source, Farber.

With Daniel Farber's insight into sovereignty as "an al­most metaphysical concept -- some secret essence of legal potency that cannot be detected directly, but only as a kind of normative aura," he provides comic relief, as well as a source of wisdom for desperate Blue State Brigadeers.

FARBER'S WISDOM

In the American context, sovereignty often seems to function as an al­most metaphysical concept -- some secret essence of legal potency that cannot be detected directly, but only as a kind of normative aura. One hotly debated question, for example, is whether the populations of the various states existed (or still exist) as separate entities acting together as a con­glomeration, or rather as a single entity acting through the agency of multi­ple subgroups. This is reminiscent of medieval disputes about the nature of the Trinity. It is not in any real sense a question of fact or even one of law.

SOURCE: Lincoln's Constitution, Daniel Farber, 2003, p. 29

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Ideas about sovereignty may also color the understanding of particular constitutional issues. Thus, while it may not be useful to ask who really had sovereignty in 1776 or 1789, it is potentially useful to ask who was believed to have sovereignty then.

SOURCE: Lincoln's Constitution, Daniel Farber, 2003, p. 30

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A contract between the peoples of the separate states might well be termed a compact. The critical question was whether a national social compact arose at some point, bind­ing all Americans together into one people, or whether the only real social compacts were at the state level, with those political societies then forming a second-level compact. The "compact theory" of sovereignty refers to this second-level compact, which is considered to have a less fundamental status than the social compacts establishing each state. If this all seems rather aridly metaphysical, that's because it is.

SOURCE: Lincoln's Constitution, Daniel Farber, 2003, p. 32

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Because of its virtually metaphysical nature, it is hard to answer the the­oretical question of whether the state peoples wholly retained their sepa­rate identity, or whether adoption of the Constitution signified the existence of unified "People of the United States." To the extent that the Framers had any shared understanding on this point, which is itself some­what dubious, they probably leaned toward the view that ratification signified the emergence of a national People. On the whole, however, the best conclusion seems to be Madison's -- that the United States was unique and could not be considered either a consolidated nation or a compact of sovereign states.

SOURCE: Lincoln's Constitution, Daniel Farber, 2003, pp. 82-83

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Still, it would be a mistake to view the Framers as purely nationalistic. During ratification, the most direct discussion of the source of the Consti­tution's legitimacy was in Federalist 39. Inquiring into the formation of the new Constitution, Madison explained that ratification takes place by the authority of the people -- "not as individuals composing one entire nation, but as composing the distinct and independent States to which they re­spectively belong." Madison went on to call ratification a "federal and not a national act," that is, "the act of the people, as forming so many independent States, not as forming one aggregate nation." This passage seems at odds with Lincoln's theory, but leaves open the possibility that ratification resulted in the creation of a unified American people.

SOURCE: Lincoln's Constitution, Daniel Farber, 2003, p. 38

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1,201 posted on 01/16/2005 3:36:25 AM PST by nolu chan
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