[Non-Sequitur]

Are the states still under the Articles? How can 12 members of the AoC modify the AoC without the required 13th member?

Duck and weave all you want. Under the Articles of Confederation the individual states did not have the right to leave, unilaterally or otherwise. So how can you say that they had that right going into the Constitution?

[4CJ]

Duck and weave all you want. Under the Articles of Confederation the individual states did not have the right to leave, unilaterally or otherwise. So how can you say that they had that right going into the Constitution?

Duck and weave?????? ROTFLMC*O!!!!!! Learn to read - I've said they had the right to LEAVE all along, but while they choose to remain in that union, any changes to that agreement had to be agreed on by ALL 13 members.

History PROVES my position - there is no final meeting of the 13 members agreeing to disband - they simply left. Now either you beleive that the states seceded, or you must believe that the Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union are still in force - which is it?