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To: Mershon

A good article, but there's little point to posting it. The SSPXers aren't going to be convinced by anything anyone posts here.

By the way, you may not have seen this, but the Religion Mod asked that threads on SSPX v. Catholic Church cease to be posted.


13 posted on 12/30/2004 12:06:24 PM PST by gbcdoj
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To: gbcdoj; BlackElk; ninenot; Sean O L; sinkspur; Mershon; Religion Moderator; Land of the Irish; ...
A good article, but there's little point to posting it. The SSPXers aren't going to be convinced by anything anyone posts here.

*sadly, I think you're right.

By the way, you may not have seen this, but the Religion Mod asked that threads on SSPX v. Catholic Church cease to be posted.

*Makes sense. Everything has been endlessly rehashed and I doubt anything positive would be accomplished by continuously bringing the sspx war against the Church to FR.

Were it not for FR, few Christian Catholics would have even heard of the schism. I have never heard it mentioned in any Church I have gone to. It is alive only on FR and in the few schismatic rags which themselves have diminishing subscribers.

This schism wil go the way of all schism. It will continue to splinter and fade into oblivion remembered only by the most rabid defenders of lefevbre and that memory will die with them.

What will continue, thankfully, is the so-called Traditionalist Movement in union with Rome - the FSSP and the other approved apostolates/societies etc. I knew men in those groups in union with Rome and while we do not see eye to eye in matters of the Liturgy etc they are exemplary men; intelligent, faithful, manly, holy etc.

The attention ought to be focused on Traditionalists in Union with Rome. Those of us who prefer the restored Rite/Pauline Rite/Normative Mass will only be strengthed by having them remain within the Body of Christ as every act of virtue they engage in (and they are legion) strengthens the entire Body of Chirst.

21 posted on 12/30/2004 1:44:57 PM PST by bornacatholic
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To: gbcdoj

Let Jesus settle it. He advised us to beware of false prophets, those who looked like sheep, but were really wolves. He said by their fruits we would know them. A good tree bears good fruit, a bad tree produces rotten fruit. What have been the fruits of the recent papacies? Try looking at the horror more objectively--we have a pope who organizes prayer festivals to false gods. How can such a man lead his Church through the current crises?

And here is St. Paul himself showing us how to discern the true from the false as well. "If we, or an angel come down from Heaven, should preach to you a gospel other than the one I have preached, let him be anathema." In other words, we must hold onto what has always been taught, not chase after new doctrines.

JPII preaches a new humanist gospel, novelties never ever preached before by any pontiff--that Jews need not be converted, that they have no need of Jesus as their redeemer, that all religions are somehow good, that all men are somehow saved. Such doctrines were never taught before in the Catholic Church. And even if he does not himself teach these novelties in so many words--he teaches them by praxis, or by remaining silent in the face of myriad novel pronouncements on his behalf.


42 posted on 12/30/2004 4:29:15 PM PST by ultima ratio
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