[Mad Mammoth]

Lincoln trashed the Constitution on several accounts MM. The "might makes right" defense always turns into a p!ssing match.

When it comes down to preserving the Union, I say p!ss away.

[stainlessbanner]

So you would have been a redcoat in 1776. Preserve the crown at all costs.

[GOPcapitalist]

When it comes down to preserving the Union, I say p!ss away.

So did Hitler, Stalin, and every other conquering tyrant of history. Alexis de Tocqueville warned us of the danger to America presented by people like Lincoln who purport to be saving a mythical concept of "the union" above all else. It is unfortunate that we did not heed his warning and big government today is our punishment.

"If one of the federated states acquires a preponderance sufficiently great to enable it to take exclusive possession of the central authority, it will consider the other states as subject provinces and will cause its own supremacy to be respected under the borrowed name of the sovereignty of the Union. Great things may then be done in the name of the Federal government, but in reality that government will have ceased to exist." - Democracy in America