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To: shubi
God use evolution to create all life. Those that do not believe in evolution, do not believe in God.

I don't know what god you acknowledge, but it certainly is not the same one that Christians recognize.

Exodus 20:11 "For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it."

Notice that it says "days", not "billions of years".

Evolution claims that history was drenched in blood from claw and tooth for thousands and tens of thousands of years prior to the arrival of man. Since the gospel message is based on the fundamental belief that it was Adam's sin that introduced death to the creation, how do you harmonize evolution's death and misery with (Genesis 1:31) "And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day."

9 posted on 11/30/2004 4:14:17 PM PST by Reuben Hick
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To: Reuben Hick

Yom is the Hebrew word for day. If you will look at the first several verses of Genesis 2 you will find the key to translating the meaning of yom in Genesis 1 (The first several verses of 2 are a continuation of Genesis 1. The chapters were done without regard to completed passages.

It is clear that yom means an indefinite period of time. This is in conformance for God's using evolution to provide a changing life to a changing environment.


10 posted on 11/30/2004 4:20:36 PM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: Reuben Hick

That exodus quote did not mention the creation of life - only "heaven and earth, the sea..." and then the nebulous "all that in them is". That does not rule out life coming about via evolution. Is there a passage that specifies creation of all plants, animals, fungi, etc?

I think it is also noteworthy that the Bible says God created people from clay - and recent hypotheses regarding the formation of the first organic compounds and forerunners of the first single-celled life forms is centered around the quantity of exposed clay in the Earth's early years and the qualities of clay that would enable it to be a catalyst for synthesis of those substances.


13 posted on 11/30/2004 5:30:25 PM PST by Voice in your head ("The secret of Happiness is Freedom, and the secret of Freedom, Courage." - Thucydides)
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To: Reuben Hick
Notice that it says "days", not "billions of years".

The meaning of the word "day," as in "24 hours" or "86400 seconds" depends on the relativistic inertial reference frame of the clock.

A clock at the center of the sun (i.e., deep inside a deep gravity well), or riding on the back of a near-lightspeed particle, would tick more slowly than one here on Earth:

A clock travelling at 99.99999999999997% of the speed of light would take 742,552 years and about four months to tick out seven days.

I asked an astrophysicist about this in a lecture about the Big Bang and the formation of stars - "when you talk about the universe being six to ten billion years old, you're using an earth-bound inertial reference frame, right?"

He answered in the affirmative, and it seemed like it hadn't occurred to him that time would have a different meaning in a far more dense universe in the early stages of the Big Bang, though maybe he was just stifling a burp from his lunch.

I wonder, too, what effect gravitational time dilation might have on the prospects for controlled fusion break-even on Earth.

643 posted on 12/15/2004 7:26:11 AM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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