Never claimed special creation is scientific, just that observable data fits it better than evolution. Now tell me something...Since man is related to the apes, and men descended from apes, and yet, when born, apes come out face up.
B: I'm not sure what Jehu is talking about here.
But humans come out face down. The mechanics and chemical signals and specifics for such a little thing as this is stupefying.
B: You haven't given any reasons why such a thing requires a large change in signals and specifics (whatever Jehu means by that). Perhaps it is simply that compared to chimp infants human babies have proportionally larger heads.
B: THere is no telling what creationists will say next. Every moment is like gift waiting to be unwrapped with these folks.
So did the axial rotation of how humans are born face down, versus face up happen all at once? Or by degrees?
B: Beats me. But it should be pointed out that enhanced encephlazation acquired during the course of hominid evolution did not occur all at once. Jehu again has nothing to offer other than his principle of "Personal Astonishment". All we get from Jehu is that " I can't figure out how this happened, ergo science must be wrong." Will somebody please inform Jehu, that the world doesn't revolve around him.
What is the advantage of babies only rotating one degree, or two or twenty? Knowing that with our large heads we could be crushed at birth if not situated in the birth canal...just so.
B: THis is precisely the same kind of muddled thinking that creationists always engage in. Again encephalazation was at best a step by step, if not a gradual process. Hence changes need to have occured all at once, one after the other, but concurrently. And to note, death during childbirth was a pox on humanity for a long time (it still is in many places). Indeed, did you think the designer couldn't have better made the female pelvis so that this wouldn't be necessary?
If all at once, what happened to barely discernible "natural selection?" If all at once, what accounts for such drastic change? Must have happened to some ape woman about 200,000 years ago.
B: Nobody says it happened all at once. Once again Jehu confuses his mishmash muddled thinking with scientific thinking.
And modern man "supposedly" being about 200,000 years old, has undergone spectacular, almost unbelievable changes:
True bipedalism
B: Again Jehu displays his abundant ignorance. Folks, I hope your paying careful attention here. Its not often one witnesses such ignornace coupled with hubris. It is a thing to behold.
B: True Bipedalism originated long before modern humans evolved. This is again one of those basic facts that Jehu continually gets wrong.
Tripling of brain size
B: Actually more than that. But following hominid evolution from Australopithicus to Homo Habilis to Homo Erectus to Archaic Homo Sapiens this increased brain size didn't occur all at once. Unfortunatley this increase in brain size did not benefit everybody.
Loss of fur or covering
B: That appears to relatively recent.
All the mechanics for human speech
B: What mechanics? Be specific. And post any information that claims what ever mechanics you're talking about had to happen all at once.
True opposable thumb
B: All primates have an opposable thumb. Opposable thumbs predate humans only by 65 million years.
An incredible firestorm of evolutionary change...practically natural selection working at the speed of light.
B: If one thinks 65 million years of primate evolution is "the speed of light".
Meanwhile at the same time:
Apes never change one iota.
B: Proof?
Cockroaches are still EXACTLY the same.
B: Proof?
Dolphins, sharks, whales...the same!
B: Proof? And aquatic mammals actually have a pretty good fossil record of their development. As evidence of your intellectual impotence you are writing blanks now.
Crocodiles...the same!
B: Proof?
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I hope your kids are smarter, otherwise we are doomed, won't be able to change a light bulb in another 50 years under evolutionary teaching.
B: I hope yours are no smarter than you. Mine will need people to work for them.
Head down, most of the time. So do chimpanzees, most of the time. The only difference is that humans tend to turn 90 degrees at the last minute so the long axis of the head is along the wider axis of the brith canal. It's not a major change; it may well simply be caused by the pressure of contractions.
http://www.mc.maricopa.edu/dept/d10/asb/anthro2003/origins/babies.html
Dolphins, sharks, whales...the same!
Nonsense. there is a full set of transitional species for whales and dolphins.
But Giraffes suddenly appear with their enormously lengthened necks with all that entails...with no, absolutely not one, preceding hint of any fossil of anything even remotely like them!
Haven't you ever seen an okapi?