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To: Jehu

"In science NATURE is the objective standard."

Then how come evolutionists don't believe what "NATURE," tells them in the fossil record in no uncertain terms? Species appear in-toto! No transition, no slow gradual changes, zip, nadda. Get back to me on that one, O priest of science.

B: Because speciation is a process which occurs on time scales to short to be geenrally well represented in the fossil record. Speciation is an observed process; whether we see species to species transitions in the fossil record is irrelevant. But the fact is we do. They are not common; but so what?

Why not read what Gould had to say about it:


In Hen's teeth and Horse's Toes pgs 258-260 :

"Faced with these facts of evolution and the philosophical bankruptcy of their own position, creationists rely upon distortion and innuendo to buttress their rhetorical claim. If I sound sharp or bitter, indeed I am for I have become a major target of these practices.

We proposed the theory of punctuated equilibria largely to provide a different explanation for pervasive trends in the fossil record. Trends, we argued, cannot be attributed to gradual transformation within lineages, but must arise from the differential success of certain kinds of species. A trend, we argued, is more like climbing a flight of stairs (punctuation and stasis) than rolling up an inclined plane.

Continuing the distortion, several creationists have equated the theory of punctuated equlibrium with a caricature of the beliefs of Richard Goldschmidt, a great early geneticist.

Since we proposed punctuated equilibria to explain trends, it is infuriating to be quoted again and again by creationists, whether through design or stupidity, I do not know as admitting that the fossil record record includes no transitional forms. Transistional forms are generally lacking at the species level, but they are abundant between larger groups"



From Dinosaur in a Haystack, Gould has some to say about creatobabblers..

"The supposed lack of intermediary forms in the fossil record remains the fundamental canard of antievolutionism. Such transitional forms are rare, to be sure, and for two good sets of reasons geological (gappiness of the fossil record) and biological (the episodic nature of evolutionary change... ) But paleontologists have discovered several superb examples of intermediary forms and sequences, more than enough to convince any fair minded sceptic about the reality of life's physical genealogy.

Later on..

Still our creationist incubi, who would never let facts spoil a favorite argument, refuse to yeild and continue to assert the absence of all transitional forms by ignoring those that have been found and continiuing to taunt us with admittedly frequent examples of absence.


773 posted on 12/20/2004 6:48:02 PM PST by bigdakine
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To: bigdakine

Go read what DARWIN said about the absence of transitional forms in the fossil record, on more than one occasion. Or do you disagree with Darwin's assesment of the problem of the lack of transitional forms in the fossil record?


797 posted on 12/21/2004 10:17:21 AM PST by Jehu
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To: bigdakine
From Dinosaur in a Haystack, Gould has some to say about creatobabblers.. "The supposed lack of intermediary forms in the fossil record remains the fundamental canard of antievolutionism. Such transitional forms are rare, to be sure, and for two good sets of reasons geological (gappiness of the fossil record) and biological (the episodic nature of evolutionary change... ) But paleontologists have discovered several superb examples of intermediary forms and sequences, more than enough to convince any fair minded sceptic about the reality of life's physical genealogy.

Does this make anybody else laugh out loud? Gould is saying there are no transitional forms, (he says they are rare, but they're actually are NONE!) because...now hold on to your seat belts!

Because there are GAPS in the fossil record. Why folks, there are no transitional forms...because there are no transitional forms! IDIOTS! O, but there are complete species, suddenly appearing in-toto all the time in the fossil record. And most of them go on unchanged till today (Crocodiles, and Cockroaches 200 million YEARS!)

But wait...we don't get transitional forms, because Uranus was not in the right position, or it was always raining on the days when transitional species were on the earth. Or maybe all transitional species ran off the same cliff every time and we haven't discovered that particular cliff yet.

Or maybe they are hiding up the asses of all the evolutionists on the earth and we have to wait until they are buried and fossilized to discover them. What absolute freaking B.S.!! You people are intellectual children, let alone spiritual midgets, coming up with this petulant, pouting little theory, just because you cannot face a moral and demanding God. Pathetic!
798 posted on 12/21/2004 10:30:45 AM PST by Jehu
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