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To: Thatcherite
"How about some kind of fallen angel. Many Gods are possible, who knows what beings they might create."

But if a god creates beings, that god is going to care about those beings. In traditional Christianity, Judaism, and Islam, Satan himself is a fallen angel. If the God cares enough to create a punisher, would he not care enough to create a set of rules? If he created a set of rules, then he would want people to follow them. We can conclude from this, that if the creator does not care, then there will be no antagonist. This Anti-god/fallen angel/ whatever, cannot exist.
692 posted on 12/17/2004 8:53:14 AM PST by conservative_crusader (The voice of truth, tells me a different story. The voice of truth says do not be afraid.)
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To: conservative_crusader
It seems to me that you are assuming omnipotence and/or omniscience on the part of your hypothetical God. Neither are necessary conditions of being Aquinus's uncaused cause. A lesser but still functional God who created the universe and the people on planet earth might create the malevolent being in error, or as an experiment.

Also to say that the God that creates beings cares about them is to presume your conclusion. You cannot be certain of this. Do we care about the bacteria in a petri dish? Yet God would be far further above us than we are above the bacteria. The Christian God of Love does care, but that God is only one possibility (though the truth as you see it?)

At the end of the day I think we are going to disagree on this one too. I think that Pascal's wager as stated with its 4 possible outcomes is so much simpler than the true set of possibilities with their varying possible outcomes that it is not a useful argument, unfortunately.

699 posted on 12/17/2004 9:44:17 AM PST by Thatcherite (Conservative and Biblical Literalist are not synonymous)
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