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To: Jehu
Science is not interested in your lack of capacity to believe the ToE. If you wish to refute it you need to bring more than your personal incredulity to the table. You need to address the crushing evidence.

Steve Gould (who you believe to be a brilliant mind apart from his proposition of punctuated equilibrium) was a lifelong opponent of creationism who was angry about the way his scientific work was misrepresented and misquoted by creationists. You point him out mockingly as "(first name Steve)" without realising that Steven was chosen as the name for the "Steve's" list in his memory and honour that you traduce in the name of your cult.

Please supply a citation for your statement that Evolutionists can never get around the fact that the fossil record does not back the idea of slow changes from one species to another. Even Darwin was in despair at the end of his life over this growing fact. as I had not heard of Darwin's despair about this issue previously. (though even if it were true it would not change the modern evidence for ToE in the slightest)

BTW you have not yet explained whether you hate Father Christmas, the Tooth Fairy, Vishnu, Kali, Osiris, Zeus, Athene etc etc or believe in them. I'd love to know which it is.

652 posted on 12/16/2004 8:11:18 AM PST by Thatcherite (Conservative and Biblical Literalist are not synonymous)
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The Five Crises in Evolutionary Theory, by Dr. Ray Bohlin

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1. The unsubstantiation of a Darwinian mechanism of evolution

2. The total failure of origin of life studies to produce a workable model

3. The inability of evolutionary mechanism to explain the origin of complex adaptations

4. The bankruptcy of the blind watchmaker hypothesis

5. The biological evidence that the rule in nature is morphological stability over time and not constant change.

Raymond G. Bohlin is a graduate of the University of Illinois (B.S., zoology), North Texas State University (M.S., population genetics), and the University of Texas at Dallas (M.S., Ph.D., molecular biology)

653 posted on 12/16/2004 8:31:42 AM PST by Michael_Michaelangelo (The best theory is not ipso facto a good theory.)
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To: Thatcherite; shubi
I went to your website and read the usual junk science put out by devoted evolutionists. Still no mathematical treatment, no clear explanation of the "forces," that supposedly produced the millions of species that have existed on this earth. And the cheap labeling game to try and pull camels out of donkeys, or visa versa. Read my lips, "There are NO transitional species in the fossil record."

Here is to you and shubi about abiogenesis and why I WILL hold your feet to the fire in that TOE assumes the following, even if it does not explicitly state, what this evolutionist made clear on YOUR website:

Furthermore, because it is not part of evolutionary theory, abiogenesis also is not considered in this discussion of macroevolution: abiogenesis is an independent hypothesis. In evolutionary theory it is taken as axiomatic that an original self-replicating life form existed in the distant past, regardless of its origin.

I love how they have to make disclaimer after disclaimer that TOE does not address abiogenesis. To bad they did not make this too clear in Time/Life depictions of evolution, nor make this REAL CLEAR in secondary education in the 60's, 70's, 80's.

And they do not make this clear in beginning biology classes in college EVEN today. But you and shubi must stress this point and isolate TOE from its own axiomatic conclusions. I guess if I must love TOE, I must love its dog, might as well introduce me to all its implications in the beginning. Your theory is false, and it is continually presented in a deceptive manner.

Here is to transitional forms:

Note the following from Dr. Alan Feducia of University of Northern Carolina, one of the world's leading bird experts AND an evolutionist.

‘Paleontologists have tried to turn Archaeopteryx into an earth-bound, feathered dinosaur. But it’s not. It is a bird, a perching bird. And no amount of “paleobabble” is going to change that.’2

Archaeopteryx is the premier (and just about the only species) put forth as a "transitional" form. And yet one of the leading experts on birds who IS an evolutionist himself is honest enough to admit "it is a BIRD!" And this labeling game just goes on anyway.

I made fun of Stevie's name because I WAS aware of the origin of the Steve list...it is called irony.

Darwin's despair: www.custance.org, one of his books.

"BTW you have not yet explained whether you hate Father Christmas, the Tooth Fairy, Vishnu, Kali, Osiris, Zeus, Athene etc etc or believe in them. I'd love to know which it is."

I believe in real people and real events, which one of the above do you consider REAL? You already believe in the utter fantasy of life popping up everywhere without any discernible cause, I suppose you sup up on Olympus in your spare time.
657 posted on 12/16/2004 1:13:39 PM PST by Jehu
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