We can add to "God haters", "liars" and "fools". Why? Because there is a list (an abbreviated one posted in this thread before) of Creationist scientists who are considered the Founders of science. Ever heard of Issac Newton? Also, I am still wondering how Big Bangers/Evolutionists or, a better description, "God Haters", have applied their evolutionary world view to create the internet, jet travel or mobile phones. What is so special about a faith system that imagines matter from nothing, life from non-life, order from chaos, and spends countless dollars looking for little green men in space (SETI) that without these things we wouldn't have a cell phone to annoy our fellow motorists with?
Actually, SETI is interesting in that it is contradictory to itself. It is based on the idea that the cosmos is filled with nothing but random noise such when your employer's computer finds patterns or a sequence that is not random then it is given that the order was made by an intelligent being. The irony is that, according to these God haters, all of the order around you absolutely could not come from an intelligent being.
I know that you Christophobes consider hate speech against Christians the final frontier in bigotry and hatred, but it doesn't serve your purposes well since it shows that you have a clear bias and prejudice that ultimately blinds you to the truth - particularly when you make stupid statements like you did above.
The rest of your post proves the fact that you are a religious zealot yourself, taking as a statement of faith that you prefer the ridiculous and the contradictory (ie. water goes up hill, little green men from Mars) than examining the evidence honestly and open mindedly.
For instance, you say that the "Uncaused cause was debunked hundreds of years ago" and then make this gratuitous and unsubstantiated statement seem like truth to you by adding an insult to the end (apparently this passes as "science" nowadays). I can understand your inferiority complex allowing you to talk about things you have absolutely no knowledge of because after all, you can't possibly be special creation, no you are a descendant of a chimmpanzee or a bug. This is why you must insult Creationist and base your entire faith in a system you can't prove - and most importantly provides you absolutely nothing in exchange. When you die, you do what? Rot? Great religion you have there, buddy.
"God Haters" translation: People who prefer examining the physical evidence to see if they can understand the universe . People who framed the physical laws that allow engineers to build computers, the internet, jet travel, mobile phones, modern medicines, diagnostic tools but bizarrely these physical laws are wrong in almost every way according to a bronze-age book.
We can add to "God haters", "liars" and "fools". Why? Because there is a list (an abbreviated one posted in this thread before) of Creationist scientists who are considered the Founders of science. Ever heard of Issac Newton?
B: I've seen this list. Its the stupidest argument going. Was Newton aware of the evidence we have for Big and Biological Evolution?
" NO "
Hence, what does it matter? Newton among other things, was also an alchemist. Using your logic, modern chemistry must also be wrong.
Creationists are so silly.
Also, I am still wondering how Big Bangers/Evolutionists or, a better description, "God Haters", have applied their evolutionary world view to create the internet, jet travel or mobile phones.
B: THese are the products of science. Actually the "evolution" of the internet is an interesting subject in and of itself. It is self ordering.
What is so special about a faith system that imagines matter from nothing,
B: Nothing really,. Its not a faith system and that happens all the time. Google "Casimir effect", "Lamb shift" and "Particle pair Production"
life from non-life,
B: Funny, thats what the Bible says. Are you saying the Bible is wrong?
order from chaos,
B: Happens all the time. Illya Prigogine got the Noble prize in chemisty for explaining why. Why are creationists decades if not centuries behind the times?
and spends countless dollars looking for little green men in space (SETI)
B: SETI is privately funded. So how much money is spent is not your concern.
that without these things we wouldn't have a cell phone to annoy our fellow motorists with?
B: ?
Actually, SETI is interesting in that it is contradictory to itself. It is based on the idea that the cosmos is filled with nothing but random noise such when your employer's computer finds patterns or a sequence that is not random then it is given that the order was made by an intelligent being.
B: Unfortunately, you ahve a great many misconceptions. SETI looks for signals that have charateristics that are associated with "known designers"... that is Us!
To illustrate how one can be fooled, it was thought that alien signals were received in the 50's. For a few weeks anyways. Then somebody realized what they were listening to was the first discovered pulsar.
The irony is that, according to these God haters, all of the order around you absolutely could not come from an intelligent being.
B: We don't see any order that requires an intelligent being other than that manufactured by humans.
I know that you Christophobes consider hate speech against Christians the final frontier in bigotry and hatred, but it doesn't serve your purposes well since it shows that you have a clear bias and prejudice that ultimately blinds you to the truth - particularly when you make stupid statements like you did above.
B: Now the creationist plays the "victum" card. The statements were well founded.
The rest of your post proves the fact that you are a religious zealot yourself, taking as a statement of faith that you prefer the ridiculous and the contradictory (ie. water goes up hill, little green men from Mars) than examining the evidence honestly and open mindedly.
B: Water can go uphill, if it has enough momentum. At any rate thats a foolish way of making the second law argument.
For instance, you say that the "Uncaused cause was debunked hundreds of years ago" and then make this gratuitous and unsubstantiated statement seem like truth to you by adding an insult to the end (apparently this passes as "science" nowadays).I can understand your inferiority complex allowing you to talk about things you have absolutely no knowledge of
B: Actually, you're projecting. You obviously know squat.
Maybe you wouldn't mind if I answered your post?
I have faith that the Bible does somehow convey the Truth to us, even if distorted by interpretation. I believe that the Christianity of today is not what the embodiment we call Jesus really intended. That a new religion will spring forth from the growth of mankind. That everything in the Bible explains what happens in us, from birth to death, as well as the universe from birth to the Revelation.
I believe this concept happens on scales from the molecular to the entire universe (gonna get away with this one?) and that our intelligence is a direct result of the intelligence that created this by mere thought (uh, which is just what we do.)
I believe that this 'mind' is part of a whole, and cannot be destroyed by death. It can only be destroyed by a lack of belief in itself (the part) ,which is caused by a lack of belief in the whole.
God is that whole, and the Earth, the Stars, you and I are parts of that whole. Every bit from the prokaryotes to the smartassed eukaryotes (numans) is a part of that thought. That image. Some translations have it as "And God made man in his image...". I am not deluded with the idea that this means God made man to look physically like God. If such a thing were true or possible, then I imagine we would not look like we do right now.
To me it means God made is 'in thought', 'in mind','visualized', or 'imaged'.
Simplest answer I can give, God is the universe.