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To: stremba
BTW, the second law of thermodynamics is not violated by the cosmology proposed by the big bang.

OK, so you don't understand the 2nd Law, and/or you agree that the Big Bang has no foundation in science but does so in science fiction.

Just because you desperately hope that order can come from chaos doesn't make the 2nd Law disappear.

569 posted on 12/11/2004 5:30:02 AM PST by Reuben Hick
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To: Reuben Hick

BTW, the second law of thermodynamics is not violated by the cosmology proposed by the big bang.

B: Its not. Roger Penrose proved sometime ago that the Big Bang singularity is the state of the universe with the least entropy.



OK, so you don't understand the 2nd Law, and/or you agree that the Big Bang has no foundation in science but does so in science fiction.

B: Stop interpreting your comic books as if they were cosmology texts.


Just because you desperately hope that order can come from chaos doesn't make the 2nd Law disappear.


B: No need to hope. The universe is replete with examples of self-organization.


572 posted on 12/11/2004 6:28:26 AM PST by bigdakine
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To: Reuben Hick

I don't understand the 2nd Law??? Please! The second law states that in a closed system, the overall entropy must increase. This does not imply that the local value of entropy in a closed system must always increase. The local value of entropy at a given point in the system can decrease if there is an even larger increase in entropy at another point in the system. Entropy and disorder are not identical, by the way. Entropy is difficult to define in words, but refers to the amount of dispersion of energy. Concentrated energy sources represent lower entropy, whereas more dispersed energy represents areas of higher entropy. The correlation between entropy and disorder arises from a law in statistical mechanics which relates the entropy of a system to the number of microstates available to the system. Typically the number of microstates available to a system is a pretty good measure of the common sense notion of disorder, but it is not a perfect measure.


609 posted on 12/13/2004 5:24:48 AM PST by stremba
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