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To: stand watie; capitan_refugio
also, the PUBLIC RECORDS at the US Archives indicate that MANY THOUSANDS of dixie's hero-martyrs were BLACK men. their SERVICE RECORDS are there for anyone to see. also MANY black men belonged to the United Confederate Veterans & were welcome participants in UCV activities as long as they lived. (do you REALLY believe that their white comrades-in-arms would have allowed a NON-veteran to join their camp, especially during the "jim crow" days????) one of our SCV camp's members gr-grandfather was a black Confederate States Marshal and Confederate States Treasury Guard (read:Secret Service Agent);he was a LIFE MEMBER of the UCV. he was buried in the 1930s in Danville, VA in what up to that date was the largest funeral in Danville's history. so much for the "myth of the black CSA veteran"!!!

Well, according to the articles I posted, that is exactly what they are-myths.

Now, being in the CSA as either an enforced laborer or as a volunteer in the supply corp is not the same as carrying a rifle-something the South feared above all things-armed black men.

So, how may regiments of Black troops did the South field?

I have heard of the Northern regiments but no Southern ones.

Oh, I know, the South was so racially advanced that they had intergrated units!

So how did the 'noble' South treat Northern Blacks they found in Union uniform?

Why they either shot them or put them into slavery.

Wasn't one of your great war heros, Bedford Forrest responsible for some massacre of the Black union troops?

Save you attempts at proving how noble and honorable you guys were, you fought for a degenerate and corrupt insititution.

And you are fortunate that your leaders were not hung for treason.

You guys lost-get over it!

513 posted on 11/20/2004 1:01:01 PM PST by fortheDeclaration
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To: fortheDeclaration
So, how may regiments of Black troops did the South field? I have heard of the Northern regiments but no Southern ones.

Records are incomplete but the national government is known to have raised at least two all-black units in Richmond in 1865. One of them fought near Saylor's Creek - the last battle of the war in the east.

The most likely place to find blacks in the confederate armies were state units, and some of them were even integrated. This was due to the fact that each state had different laws on whether or not blacks could join their militias and if so what roles they could fill.

Tennessee was the first state to pass a law permitting blacks to join up and did so in June of 1861. There are some newspaper reports of black units being raised from around that time, but most military records show individual blacks serving in majority-white units from Tennessee. Louisiana also had some black Creole units in their state militia.

515 posted on 11/20/2004 4:19:57 PM PST by GOPcapitalist ("Marxism finds it easy to ally with Islamic zealotism" - Ludwig von Mises)
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To: fortheDeclaration
Wasn't one of your great war heros, Bedford Forrest responsible for some massacre of the Black union troops?

That's the common myth. The event it refers to is the battle of Fort Pillow in Tennessee. The mythical version claims the fort was either all black or majority black, that it tried to surrender, and that its people were mowed down in brutal slaughters for hours after the battle. There isn't any credible record to support those claims though and most were made up for propaganda purposes to boost recruits into the northern army on an outrage emotion.

What really happened at Fort Pillow is this: Forrest's vastly larger army came upon a small yankee-held fort that was about half white, half black. During some initial skirmishing virtually all of the fort's superior officers were killed, though this was unknown to Forrest at the time. A ceasefire ensued in which Forrest sent a message to the fort's commander (who was deceased, unbeknownst to him) saying the situation was hopeless and that they should surrender. A hotshot lower level officer had since taken command even though he was inept and unqualified to do so, but rather than respond to Forrest's request he forged a message back to him under the name of the dead commander informing them that they would stay and fight. Forrest then ordered the attack, which was swift and bloody as the fort was easily overrun. Barely a moment into the attack the remaining yankee officer command collapsed entirely, with low level officers giving simultaneous and contradictory orders to form and hold a line, to surrender, and to retreat to the river. This produced a situation where men standing side by side were following opposite orders. Some even laid down their arms as ordered only to pick them up again and resume the fighting when they saw people next to them getting different orders. It was a brutal mess in which the yankees sustained heavy casualties - primarily as a result of disorganization. In the heat of battle a few cases of brutality were reported, though that's about it. Forrest and the other officers are also recorded to have arrived on the front line at the end of the battle and specifically put a halt to the soldiers who were out of control.

516 posted on 11/20/2004 4:30:28 PM PST by GOPcapitalist ("Marxism finds it easy to ally with Islamic zealotism" - Ludwig von Mises)
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To: fortheDeclaration
Wasn't one of your great war heros, Bedford Forrest responsible for some massacre of the Black union troops?

I have no doubt that individual soldiers on both sides committed attrocities.

Here was a report about Forrest's personal actions at Fort Pillow published in the New Orleans Daily Picayune right after the battle. The report was taken from a Memphis paper as I remember, Memphis being in Union hands at the time.

"Capt. Young, Provost Marshall, was taken prisoner, slightly wounded, and paroled the liberty of their camps, and allowed to see his wife. He says that our troops [the Federals] behaved gallantly throughout the whole action, that our loss [Federals again] in killed will exceed 200; he also stated that Gen. Forrest shot one of his own men for refusing quarters to our men."

517 posted on 11/20/2004 4:53:48 PM PST by rustbucket
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To: fortheDeclaration
You guys lost-get over it!

Appeal to force (fallacy), and teleological fallacy.

Bzzzztt!! Four-Minute Penalty for fallacious argument.

551 posted on 11/21/2004 1:35:20 AM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: fortheDeclaration
what a IGNORANT, STUPID, BIGOTED post! i'd bet you would look really GRAND in robes & a pointed hood, with DRAGON embroidered on the breast!

you show yourself to be at least ILL-educated, if NOT UN-educated about TWBTS.

you are obviously yet another victim of the self-righteous,arrogant,self-serving damnyankee-controlled "publick screwl edumakashun sistim".

your whole post has NOT even ONE truthful/honest/factual statement, except that we lost our war for independence.

btw, there were THREE (3) large, all-black CSA units, which had their own black officers in early 1861. by mid-1862 (primarily because of units being consolidated as casualities grew), virtually all CSA army units were racially/ethnically/religiously desegregated. the CSMC & CSN were ALWAYS desegregated.

to quote Professor Arnold Toynbee, late of Oxford University, " by nothing more than accident & necessity, the Confederate States military forces became the world's first, large, modern racially & religiously desegregated armed force".

free dixie,sw

577 posted on 11/21/2004 11:22:24 AM PST by stand watie ( being a damnyankee is no better than being a racist. it is a LEARNED prejudice against dixie.)
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