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To: lentulusgracchus

Fortunately I have avoided your friend's grasping for my pants since I don't swing that way.

People like you have no crediblity because of such idiocies as trying to pretend that Blacks had it as bad in the North as in the South. These are nothing but abject lies from desperate minds. Bad as things were in the North they were FAR worse in the South and there is no debate among reputable scholars about this no matter what the crackpots and loons you dingbats prefer.

As I said I in no way "spot" the South institutions but condemn and ridicule its society, culture, politics and economics AS A WHOLE. It is pathetic to see supposedly intelligent people trying to foist the ragged myth of the Noble Cause on modern people.

My quote was a slice of truth which naturally caused another outburst of insane ravings from you thus I count it as a complete success. Nor did nolo contendre prove anything by dragging up from the DS Talking Points a couple of laws which were never of much relevence anywhere in the North. There were even some humane folks in the South who ignored its laws to teach blacks. This complusion to pretend that lives of blacks in the North were as bad as facing the Tyranny of the Slavers just makes you look like loons. Why are there always the same muttonheads who support such absurd contentions here?

There is no question that the enslavement of blacks by Southern slavers was the worst sort of that institution with vast differences from that of the past.


410 posted on 11/19/2004 12:03:53 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
As I said I in no way "spot" the South institutions but condemn and ridicule its society, culture, politics and economics AS A WHOLE.

What a perfect self-contradiction -- and all in one sentence.

People like you have no crediblity because of such idiocies as trying to pretend that Blacks had it as bad in the North as in the South. These are nothing but abject lies from desperate minds.

This is a ridiculous statement and totally ad hominem. I have never argued that North or South was all the same to free blacks. Of course that wasn't the case. But when you argue that racism was peculiar to, and endogamous in the South -- as a blanket indictment of the region -- other posters have been sufficiently justified in bringing in examples of extreme prejudice against (free) blacks in the North.

This is fair argumentation, and you are not going to get out of it by simply pointing the finger at your interlocutors and calling us all liars. Especially when you got caught lying yourself, and now here you are again, blasting the South as peculiarly and particularly awful and bad -- but wait, now you are smearing the categories together, whereas before, you were talking about racism as a Southern preoccupation. Now you're throwing everything into the stew and trying to average it all together -- anything, anything to get the moral indictment of the South that you desperately demand be delivered against her.

As I said I in no way "spot" the South institutions but condemn and ridicule its society, culture, politics and economics AS A WHOLE.

Well, what the hell is that but raw sectionalism? You don't play games with stigmatizing the South's instutions -- you just damn the whole thing to hell in a handbasket?!

Do you speak English? Do you realize what you just wrote? How can you say that and not understand that it fits the bill perfectly for the indictment I laid against you, of ragging on the South out of bloodyminded regional animus?

It is pathetic to see supposedly intelligent people trying to foist the ragged myth of the Noble Cause on modern people.

What's pathetic is seeing your envenomed passion dressed up as thought.

457 posted on 11/20/2004 2:03:07 AM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
There is no question that the enslavement of blacks by Southern slavers was the worst sort of that institution with vast differences from that of the past.

There you go again -- sweeping, categorical statements of condemnation, delivered as fact, after your facts have been seriously challenged. You just return to your original position and reiterate it as if you'd never had a conversation on this subject at all.

That's called "bigotry".

458 posted on 11/20/2004 2:06:26 AM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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