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To: nolu chan
They did not like the fact that many in the nation hated slavery and wanted it to be limited The myriad of Black laws in the North clearly establishes that they did not want the Black population to come North. Plain and simple, nobody wanted a large population of free Black NEIGHBORS.

So?

That is a far cry from believing people should be considered property.

I don't know who the "many" were who "hated" slavery (they were a very small minority) but Lincoln had this to say: Although I have ever been opposed to slavery, so far I rested in the hope and belief that it was in course of ultimate extinction. For that reason, it had been a minor question with me. -- Lincoln, speech July 17, 1858 In the language of Mr. Jefferson, uttered many years ago, "It is still in our power to direct the process of emancipation, and deportation, peaceably, and in such slow degrees, as that the evil will wear off insensibly; and their places be, pari passu, filled up by free white laborers. If, on the contrary, it is left to force itself on, human nature must shudder at the prospect held up." Mr. Jefferson did not mean to say, nor do I, that the power of emancipation is in the federal government. He spoke of Virginia; and, as to the power of emancipation, I speak of the slaveholding states only. -- Lincoln, February 27, 1860

Note, as far as Lincoln rested in the hope of slavery eventual extinction it was a minor point.

When the Missiouri compromise was thrown out, and Douglas began advocating 'popular sovereignity' with the Kansas Nebraska act Lincoln saw the exactly what the slave holders were attempting.

Hence his 'house divided speech which stated that this nation is going to end up either all slave or all free.

397 posted on 11/19/2004 4:49:12 AM PST by fortheDeclaration
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To: fortheDeclaration
[nc #396] They did not like the fact that many in the nation hated slavery and wanted it to be limited The myriad of Black laws in the North clearly establishes that they did not want the Black population to come North. Plain and simple, nobody wanted a large population of free Black NEIGHBORS.

[ftD #397] So? That is a far cry from believing people should be considered property.

It is a major impediment to emancipation.

[Lincoln quoting Jefferson] "If ... it is left to force itself on, human nature must shudder at the prospect held up."

[Lincoln eulogizing Henry Clay, July 6, 1852] "Cast into life where slavery was already widely spread and deeply seated, he did not perceive, as I think no wise man has perceived, how it could be at once eradicated, without producing a greater evil, even to the cause of human liberty itself."

[Henry Clay said of slavery it was] "nothing in comparison with the far greater evil which would inevitably flow from a sudden and indiscriminate emancipation."

[Thomas Jefferson] "This unfortunate difference of colour, and perhaps of faculty, is a powerful obstacle to the emancipation of these people. Many of their advocates, while they wish to vindicate the liberty of human nature are anxious also to preserve its dignity and beauty. Some of these, embarrassed by the question `What further is to be done with them?' join themselves in opposition with those who are actuated by sordid avarice only. Among the Romans emancipation required but one effort. The slave, when made free, might mix with, without staining the blood of his master. But with us a second is necessary, unknown to history. When freed, he is to be removed beyond the reach of mixture.

If one desires to free 4 MILLION people and NOT have them as neighbors, one must get RID of them somehow. Take away the territories and all that is left is the absurdity of colonization.

Letter on the Relation of the White and African Races in the United States Showing the Necessity of the Colonization of the Latter
Addressed to President Abraham Lincoln
May 18, 1862

"Let us then, earnestly and respectfully recommend as a remedy for our present troubles and future danger, the perfecting the proposed plans of the administration in regard to those two conflicting races, and the careful and gradual removal of the colored race to some desirable and convenient home. This suggests that the tropical lands of our own hemisphere should be devoted to their use, and that all available means should be seized to pour a flood of Anglo-African civilization on the tropical lands of the old hemisphere most accessible to us (Western Africa.) In doing this we take from imperialism its temptation to tamper with our republicanism; for by preserving the heterogeneous character of our population, we perpetuate our republican equality in social and civil life."

"It further suggests that our legislation should cover the wants and well-being of both races, and that statesmen should consider, first, the good of the white race, then, the good and well-being of the black; making at least as liberal appropriations for the colonization of the Indian, upon whom millions on millions have been expended with but imperfect success in the cause of civilization, whilst the slender means of the friends of the African civilization have produced lasting results. Some affect to fear that the man of color will not remove to a separate locality. It is not to be expected that a race, which has hardly attained a mental majority, will rise in a day to the stature of the men who found empires, build cities, and lay the ground work of civil institutions like ours; nor should they be expected to do this unaided and alone. They should receive the kind attention, direction, and aid of those who understand such things; nor will the world condemn a gentle pressure in the forward course to overcome the natural inertia of masses long used to the driver's will and rod. Let us do justice in the provision we make for their future comfort, and surety they will do justice to our distracted Republic. If they should fail to do this, there would then be more propriety in weighing the requirement of some to remove without consultation, but not till then. The more intelligent men of color can now see the necessity that rests upon us, and they will aid us in this work. We know that there is a growing sentiment in the country which considered the removal of the freed man, without consulting him, "a moral and military necessity" -- as a measure necessary to the purity of public morals and the peace of the country; and this unhappy war of white man with white man, about the condition of the black, will multiply this sentiment. But we cannot go further now than suggesting, that the mandatory relation held by the rebel master should escheat to the Federal government in a modified sense, so as to enable his proper government and gradual removal to a proper home where he can be independent."


399 posted on 11/19/2004 5:28:36 AM PST by nolu chan
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