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To: stand watie
Sorry stand, the post I referred to was on the Albert Sidney Johnston statue thread, not this one. Let me repost it for you edification:

Lentulusgracchus - "Hey, rustbucket -- where's all the impassioned defense of the spread of slavery that we were promised? 'It's all about slavery', you know."

From Kenneth Stampp, The Causes of the Civil War, Chapter 50."

"Before and during the Civil War many Southerners accepted the view that slavery was the most crucial issue in the sectional crisis. Northerners, they said, by attacking slavery were endangering the Union. Moreover, Southern expansionists denied that the right they claimed to carry slaves into the territories was a meaningless abstraction. The Charleston Mercury (February 28, 1860) insisted that it was neither geography nor climate, but Northern political interference, that prevented slavery from entering new territories:"

"The right to have [slave] property protected in the territory is not a mere abstraction without application or practical value. In the past there are instances where the people of the Southern States might have colonized and brought new slave States into the Union had the principle been recognized, and the Government, the trustee of the Southern States, exercised its appropriate powers to make good for the slaveholder the guarantees of the Constitution.... When the gold mines of California were discovered, slaveholders at the South saw that, with their command of labor, it would be easy at a moderate outlay to make fortunes digging gold. The inducements to go there were great, and there was no lack of inclination on their part. But to make the emigration profitable, it was necessary that the [slave] property of the Southern settlers should be safe, otherwise it was plainly a hazardous enterprise, neither wise nor feasible. Few were reckless enough to stake property, the accumulation of years, in a struggle with active prejudices amongst a mixed population, where for them the law was a dead letter through the hostile indifference of the General Government, whose duty it was, by the fundamental law of its existence, to afford adequate protection - executive, legislative and judicial - to the property of every man, of whatever sort, without discrimination. Had the people of the Southern States been satisfied they would received fair play and equal protection at the hands of the Government, they would have gone to California with their slaves.... California would probably now have been a Slave State in the Union....

"What has been the policy pursued in Kansas? Has the territory had a fair chance of becoming a Slave State? Has the principle of equal protection to slave property been carried out by the Government there in many of its departments? On the contrary, has not every appliance been used to thwart the South and expel or prohibit her sons from colonizing there>... In our opinion, had the principle of equal protection to Southern men and Southern property been rigorously observed by the General Government, both California and Kansas would undoubtedly have come into the Union as Slave States. The South lost those States for the lack of proper assertion of this great principle....

"New Mexico [Territory], it is asserted, is too barren and arid for Southern occupation or settlement.... Now, New Mexico ... teems with mineral resources.... There is no vocation in the world in which slavery can be more useful and profitable than mining.... [Is] it wise, in our present condition of ignorance of the resources of New Mexico, to jump to the conclusion that the South can have no interest in its territories, and therefore shall waive or abandon her right of colonizing them?...

"We frequently talk of the future glories of our republican destiny on the continent, and of the spread of our civilization and free institutions over Mexico and the Tropics. Already we have absorbed two of her states, Texas and California. Is it expected that our onward march will stop here? Is it not more probable and more philosophic to suppose that, as in the past, so in the future, the Anglo-Saxon race will, in the course of years, occupy and absorb the whole of that splendid but ill-peopled country, and to remove by gradual process, before them, the worthless mongrel races that now inhabit and curse the land? And in the accomplishment of this destiny is there a Southern man so bold as to say, the people of the South with their slave property are to consent to total exclusion...? Our people will never sit still and see themselves excluded from all expansion, to please the North."

"Lentulusgracchus - is this the true face of southern slave expansionism?"

And I might add for this post, if the last paragraph of the editorial represents the view point of the southern leadership regarding blacks and hispanics, how might they have viewed the indigenous people of the Indian Territory, Plains, and southwest, with respect to expansion of southern territory?

236 posted on 11/16/2004 4:27:28 PM PST by capitan_refugio
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To: capitan_refugio; lentulusgracchus
[cr #236 quoting Stampp] The Charleston Mercury (February 28, 1860) insisted that it was neither geography nor climate, but Northern political interference, that prevented slavery from entering new territories

SOURCE: John Remington Graham, A Constitutional History of Secession, 2002, 279-280

It was increasingly obvious to thinking men in the South that geogra­phy barred their peculiar institution in the Federal territories. No amount of argument can change the unanswerable reality that, outside of Kansas where they were doomed before they started, planters from the Dixie States had made no serious effort to import slaves into the huge land mass affected by Compromise of 1850 and the repeal of the Missouri Compromise in 1854. They made no serious effort, because there was nothing attractive to them in those vast stretches. And the proof of this stubborn fact is that in 1860 there were no slaves at all in the New Mexico, Utah, and Washington Territories, none in the Indian or Oklahoma Territory, none in the Dakota Territory, virtually none in the Kansas Territory which entered the Union as a free State in 1861, and barely more than a dozen in the Nebraska Territory, nor was there a prospect that more would ever arrive.


238 posted on 11/17/2004 2:20:06 AM PST by nolu chan
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To: capitan_refugio
what UTTER HOGWASH!

Stampp is NOT correct about the opinions of ANYONE in the whole country EXCEPT the 5-6% of persons who were SLAVEOWNERS. the slavers cared INTENSELY about slavery. nobody else cared a damn about it, as INTELLIGENT people KNEW it was DYING.

free dixie,sw

247 posted on 11/17/2004 8:30:52 AM PST by stand watie ( being a damnyankee is no better than being a racist. it is a LEARNED prejudice against dixie.)
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