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To: nolu chan
"Baltimore was not "home" to Chief Justice Taney."

Refutable lie, by your own post. Taney lived in Baltimore from 1823 to 1855 (when his wife, the sister of Francis Scott Key, died). He was a leading lawyer in Baltimore in the early 1820's, before being named as Att. Gen of Md.

"Your attempts to falsely claim that Taney and Merryman were "neighbors" because Taney sometimes stayed at his daughter's house, 23 MILES FROM MERRYMAN'S HOME, are comical."

You and your buddies are such amateurs when it comes to being sleuths. The Merryman family estate, Hayfields (now site of the Hayfields Country Club), was indeed near Sherwood, MD. John Merryman inherited the main property in 1847. That, however does not preclude John Merryman from also having a residence in Baltimore. In fact, just a few minutes of searching showed that Baltimore was crawling with Merrymans. They were a very prominent family in the area.

Just a little more searching shows another connection. A number of members of the Merryman family were married or buried at old St. Pauls in Baltimore (John the traitor was not one of these - he is planted in Sherwood). The Keys were also members of old St. Pauls too. Although Roger B. was a Catholic, his wife was not - she evidently stayed an Anglican. Her brother, Francis Scott Key, was buried at the cemetery there (before he was dug up and moved).

John Merryman was at one time a leader in the State Agricultural Society, located in the City of Baltimore (separated from the County in 1851). Merryman was called one of the "first citizens" of Baltimore county. And, of course Merryman was an officer (1st Lt.) in the Baltimore County Horse Guards. (So was Harry Gilmore - who was only a corporal when the war started.) John Merryman has plenty of connections to Baltimore, at first glance, and with very little effort at research.

So your silly little map and story about 15 or 23 miles doesn't pass muster for proving or disproving anything. LOL!

You also need to keep in mind that the Taneys, and the Keys, the Bosleys, and the Merrymans were part of the Maryland aristocracy. They have family connections that go back generations, into the early 1700's. They were the families that provided the legislators, the judges, the mayors, the military officers, and so on. The old planter families are like that; even here in California.

If you don't think Taney knew Merryman, you are deluding yourself. But that's probably what you prefer, rather than face up to the fact that one of your icons was wholly fallible.

2,149 posted on 12/02/2004 11:55:02 PM PST by capitan_refugio
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To: capitan_refugio
That, however does not preclude John Merryman from also having a residence in Baltimore.

And I suppose you have an address for this Baltimore residence of Merryman? Or did you pull that one out of your ass as well?

2,161 posted on 12/03/2004 12:17:54 AM PST by GOPcapitalist ("Marxism finds it easy to ally with Islamic zealotism" - Ludwig von Mises)
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To: capitan_refugio
Merryman was called one of the "first citizens" of Baltimore county.

The operative word there being "county."

And, of course Merryman was an officer (1st Lt.) in the Baltimore County Horse Guards.

Which is supposed to prove exactly what about his residence?

John Merryman has plenty of connections to Baltimore

You did not assert that he simply had "connections" in Baltimore. You asserted that he was a neighbor of Roger Taney and that is a patent falsehood.

If you don't think Taney knew Merryman, you are deluding yourself.

First, you've provided absolutely no evidence of that. Second, your original contention was not that Taney simply knew Merryman but rather that they were neighbors - a claim that is patently false. But you, of course, are a filthy liar who cannot and will not ever admit to a wrong even when you've been caught in a corner with no escape. Thus you remain incorrigible and thus you persist to lie about your previous lies.

2,162 posted on 12/03/2004 12:23:20 AM PST by GOPcapitalist ("Marxism finds it easy to ally with Islamic zealotism" - Ludwig von Mises)
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To: capitan_refugio; GOPcapitalist; 4ConservativeJustices; lentulusgracchus; Gianni
MORE CAPITAN KERRYFUGIO MINDLESS BLUE-STATE BLATHER

[nc] "Baltimore was not "home" to Chief Justice Taney."

[capitan_kerryfugio #2149] Refutable lie, by your own post. Taney lived in Baltimore from 1823 to 1855 (when his wife, the sister of Francis Scott Key, died). He was a leading lawyer in Baltimore in the early 1820's, before being named as Att. Gen of Md.

We know that Merryman was not Taney's neighbor in 1823, because Merryman had not been born yet. One assumes the purported friendship had to wait at least until Merryman was out of diapers.

We know that at the time of the Merryman proceedings, Taney lived in Washington, D.C. at 23 Blagden's Row.

We know that he only stayed in his daughter's house in Maryland on occasion.

Baltimore was not "home" to Taney. When he died, he was taken to Frederick, the services were held there, and he was buried there.

[nc] "Your attempts to falsely claim that Taney and Merryman were "neighbors" because Taney sometimes stayed at his daughter's house, 23 MILES FROM MERRYMAN'S HOME, are comical."

[capitan_refugio #2149 mindlessly blathering] You and your buddies are such amateurs when it comes to being sleuths. The Merryman family estate, Hayfields (now site of the Hayfields Country Club), was indeed near Sherwood, MD. John Merryman inherited the main property in 1847. That, however does not preclude John Merryman from also having a residence in Baltimore. In fact, just a few minutes of searching showed that Baltimore was crawling with Merrymans. They were a very prominent family in the area.

Oh wow. People with the same last name lived in or near Baltimore. The Official Record documents that the Merryman in this case was arrested in his home near Cockeysville and taken by train to Baltimore City.

[capitan_kerryfugio #2149 displaying Blue State insanity] Just a little more searching shows another connection. A number of members of the Merryman family were married or buried at old St. Pauls in Baltimore (John the traitor was not one of these - he is planted in Sherwood). The Keys were also members of old St. Pauls too. Although Roger B. was a Catholic, his wife was not - she evidently stayed an Anglican. Her brother, Francis Scott Key, was buried at the cemetery there (before he was dug up and moved).

The Official Record documents that the Merryman in this case was arrested in his home near Cockeysville and taken by train to Baltimore City. Having dead people with the same last name buried in Baltimore does not make Merryman either a "neighbor" of Taney or the dead people in the cemetery.

[capitan_kerryfugio #2149 displaying Blue State insanity] John Merryman was at one time a leader in the State Agricultural Society, located in the City of Baltimore (separated from the County in 1851).

The Official Record documents that the Merryman in this case was arrested in his home near Cockeysville and taken by train to Baltimore City. Being a member of a group that has an office in Baltimore does make Merryman a neighbor of anyone in Baltimore.

[capitan_kerryfugio #2149 displaying Blue State insanity] Merryman was called one of the "first citizens" of Baltimore county.

The Official Record documents that the Merryman in this case was arrested in his home near Cockeysville and taken by train to Baltimore City. Baltimore City was not part of Baltimore County.

[capitan_kerryfugio #2149 displaying Blue State insanity] And, of course Merryman was an officer (1st Lt.) in the Baltimore County Horse Guards. (So was Harry Gilmore - who was only a corporal when the war started.)

The Official Record documents that the Merryman in this case was arrested in his home near Cockeysville and taken by train to Baltimore City. Baltimore City was not part of Baltimore County.

[capitan_kerryfugio #2149 displaying Blue State insanity] John Merryman has plenty of connections to Baltimore, at first glance, and with very little effort at research.

Thus far, you moron, you have shown nothing but people with the same last name, but not John Merryman, were in Baltimore, some of them buried there. The Official Record documents that the Merryman in this case was arrested in his home near Cockeysville and taken by train to Baltimore City.

[capitan_kerryfugio #2149 displaying Blue State insanity] So your silly little map and story about 15 or 23 miles doesn't pass muster for proving or disproving anything. LOL!

Taney's daughter lived on Franklin Street in Baltimore City. The Official Record documents that the Merryman in this case was arrested in his home near Cockeysville and taken by train to Baltimore City. Microsoft Streets and Maps calculates the distance from Franklin Street in Baltimore to Cockeysville as 23 MILES. The Official Record documents that the Merryman in this case was arrested in his home near Cockeysville and taken by train to Baltimore City.

[capitan_kerryfugio #2149 displaying Blue State insanity] You also need to keep in mind that the Taneys, and the Keys, the Bosleys, and the Merrymans were part of the Maryland aristocracy. They have family connections that go back generations, into the early 1700's. They were the families that provided the legislators, the judges, the mayors, the military officers, and so on. The old planter families are like that; even here in California.

You need to keep in mind that Chief Justice Taney lived in Washington, D.C. and he and Merryman were not neighbors. You need to keep in mind that when Taney was in Maryland he stayed at the Campbell's on Franklin Street. You need to keep in mind that the Official Record documents that the Merryman in this case was arrested in his home near Cockeysville and taken by train to Baltimore City. You need to keep in mind that it is 23 MILES from Franklin Street in Baltimore to Cockeysville. You need to keep in mind that Taney and Merryman were not neighbors, even if you can cite that there were dead people with the same last name buried in a Baltimore cemetery.

[capitan_kerryfugio #2149 displaying Blue State insanity] If you don't think Taney knew Merryman, you are deluding yourself. But that's probably what you prefer, rather than face up to the fact that one of your icons was wholly fallible.

It is clear that you are delusional.

2,171 posted on 12/03/2004 1:26:07 AM PST by nolu chan
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To: capitan_refugio
You also need to keep in mind that the Taneys, and the Keys, the Bosleys, and the Merrymans were part of the Maryland aristocracy.

John Merryman was a FARMER and is listed in such in the Baltimore COUNTY census (the City of Baltimore is not part of Balimore COUNTY) - he was not a judge, lawyer, politician, doctor, banker or any other profession customarily travelling in high society.

John Merryman inherited the main property in 1847. That, however does not preclude John Merryman from also having a residence in Baltimore. In fact, just a few minutes of searching showed that Baltimore was crawling with Merrymans. They were a very prominent family in the area.

Merryman inherited the farm from his uncle - Nicholas Bosley. Here there are a lot of Smiths locally, but none are members of any aristocracy. In contrast, there is one family with a unique last name, worth several hundred million dollars. I guess they are not members of any aristocray by your definition? But could you provide the address of this alleged home in Baltimore City?

Just a little more searching shows another connection. A number of members of the Merryman family were married or buried at old St. Pauls in Baltimore (John the traitor was not one of these - he is planted in Sherwood).

But how does that PROVE that John Merryman was a member of the "Maryland aristocracy"?

John Merryman was at one time a leader in the State Agricultural Society, located in the City of Baltimore

Can you provide the address, and when Taney attended these meetings?

2,186 posted on 12/03/2004 6:32:34 AM PST by 4CJ (Laissez les bon FReeps rouler)
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