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To: nolu chan
Your attempts to disassociate Taney from Maryland, and Balitmore in particular, are comical! He was born and Maryland and he is planted in Maryland. He lived there almost his whole life.

Your so-called "refutation" fails.

1,947 posted on 12/01/2004 1:44:44 PM PST by capitan_refugio
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To: capitan_refugio
Your attempts to disassociate Taney from Maryland, and Balitmore in particular, are comical! He was born and Maryland and he is planted in Maryland. He lived there almost his whole life. Your so-called "refutation" fails.

Blatant distortion again. At issue is not whether or not Justice Taney lived in Maryland, at issue is whether or not Merryman was his close, personal friend.

The 1850 population of Baltimore was approximately 169,000. I take it they were all close, personal friends of the Chief Justice. </sarcasm>

2,035 posted on 12/02/2004 5:48:21 AM PST by 4CJ (Laissez les bon FReeps rouler)
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To: capitan_refugio
Your attempts to disassociate Taney from Maryland, and Balitmore in particular, are comical! He was born and Maryland and he is planted in Maryland. He lived there almost his whole life. Your so-called "refutation" fails.

More on this blatant distortion. At issue is not whether or not Justice Taney lived in Maryland, at issue is whether or not Merryman was his close, personal friend.

Justice Taney might have lived in Baltimore for a while, but in the 1850 Federal Census of Baltimore County, MD, there is no Taney listed. John Merryman did not live in Baltimore city, he lived about 2 miles from Cockeysville, MD, which is appromimately 11 miles from the current city limits of Baltimore City, and would have been some 15 miles from the 1860 limits. Taney and Merryman were not close, personal friends.

2,065 posted on 12/02/2004 9:05:25 AM PST by 4CJ (Laissez les bon FReeps rouler)
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To: capitan_refugio
[capitan kerryfugio #1947] Your attempts to disassociate Taney from Maryland, and Balitmore in particular, are comical! He was born and Maryland and he is planted in Maryland. He lived there almost his whole life. Your so-called "refutation" fails.

MORE LIES, DIVERSIONS, AND MINDLESS BLATHER BY CAPITAN KERRYFUGIO

capitan_refugio #1947 serves as further proof that he is a living example of "Blue State Culture" ignorance and gross public dumb.

Your attempts to falsely claim that Taney and Merryman were "neighbors" because Taney sometimes stayed at his daugher's house, 23 MILES FROM MERRYMAN'S HOME, are comical.

Your new comical desperate position is that everyone born in Maryland is a "neighbor" to everyone else born in Maryland.

Baltimore was not "home" to Chief Justice Taney. He was born in FREDERICK Maryland, and he is buried in FREDERICK Maryland. Taney never lived in Baltimore until he was almost 46 years old.

Unlike capitan_kerryfugio, one who has any intellect must ask not only where Taney lived, but where John Merryman lived, in order to determine if they were "neighbors." capitan_kerryfugio needs only to mindlessly blather.

At the time of the Merryman case, Taney LIVED in Washington, D.C. at 23 Blagden's Row. That was his ONLY residence. Taney's widowed daughter Sophia and her son Roger stayed there, as did Taney's daughter Ellen who was an invalid much of her life.

When Taney went to Baltimore for the Merryman case, he stayed at the house of his daughter Anne, and his son-in-law James Campbell at what was then No. 55 Franklin Street, in the second block west of Charles.

John Merryman was a resident of Baltimore COUNTY, not Baltimore CITY. John Merryman was at his home, sleeping, when Lincoln's storm troopers arrived to unlawfully arrest him.

John Merryman's home was near COCKEYSVILLE. From Franklin Street in Baltimore City to COCKEYSVILLE is a distance of 23 MILES.

Following his arrest, John Merryman was brought to Baltimore by train.

John Merryman was not a neighbor to Chief Justice Taney's Washington address.

When Chief Justice Taney stayed at his daughter's home 23 MILES FROM COCKEYSVILLE, he did not magicly become a neighbor to John Merryman, despite capitan_kerryfugio's mindless blathering.

Baltimore City was an independent city, and not part of Baltimore County.

When Chief Justice Taney stayed in his daughter's house in Baltimore City, he was not even in the COUNTY of Merryman's residence, you prime example of Blue State Cultural ignorance and gross public dumb.

John MERRYMAN was born on 9 Aug 1824. He died on 15 Nov 1881. He was buried in Cockeyville, MD.

Chief Justice TANEY was born March 17, 1777. In 1861, Merryman was 36 years old. Taney was 84 years old.

All of this is a matter of public record and has been known for more than a century.

Damn, you're dumb and incompetent.


Lewis = Walker Lewis, "Without Fear of Favor, A Biography of Chief Justice Roger Brooke Taney," 1964-1965, first printing.

Taney

1777 born (Frederick, MD) (March 17, 1777)

1823 moved to Baltimore (Feb)

1831 became U.S. Attorney General. Rented house in D.C.

1836 Sworn in as Chief Justice (March 28, 1836)

1855 House in Baltimore sold. Soon rented a row house on Indiana Avenue, near the present District Courthouse, in what was known as No. 23 Blagden's Row.

1861 During Merryman case, while in Baltimore stayed with daughter and son-in-law at what was then No. 55 Franklin Street, in the second block west of Charles.

1864 Died in Washington, D.C. home.

1864 Services and burial in Frederick, MD.

"[I]n February 1823, Taney sold his home on Bentz Street and moved to Baltimore." (Lewis, p. 80)

"In Baltimore they first rented a house on South Gay Street, then the fashionable center of the town, but soon purchased a home on Lexington Street, opposite the court House and in the area where most lawyers lived and had their offices." (Lewis, p. 80)

Taney became U.S. Attorney General in 1831.

"Taney realized that living in Baltimore would impose too great a physical strain, and he rented a handsome three and one half story brick residence on Madison Place, overlooking Lafayette Square. Commodore John Rodgers, senior officer of the Navy, had just built it for himself, but his family preferred to remain at their river-front estate at Greenleaf Point. He was a fellow Marylander (a brother-in-law of William Pinkney) and wasglad to rent to the Taneys. The building no longer stands, having been torn down in 1895 to make way for the Lafayette Square Opera House, which was in turn demolished in 1964." (Lewis, p. 125)

"It was in this house that Anne Arnold Taney was married on May 27, 1834, to James Mason Campbell, a Baltimore lawyer who had been honor man in his class at Dickinson." (Lewis, p. 126)

"The Taylors had a boy, Roger Taney Taylor, but in June of 1855, Colonel Taylor sent Sophia and her son back to live with her parents under circumstances that were tantamount to abandonment; he himself died in 1858, in an outbreak of yellow fever at Fort Brown, Texas. Sophia and her son, whom they called "Roger," made their home with the Chief Justice, and Roger ultimately died without issue." (Lewis, p. 255)

"Ellen was an invalid much of her life, and never married." (Carl Brent Swisher, "Roger B. Taney," page 455)

"In the spring of 1864 Attorney General Bates remarked that Taney, Wayne, Catron, and Gried were obviously failing, and that he thought they would resign from the Supreme Court if Congress would provide for an adequate pension. A bill for this purpose was much discussed but it failed to pass, and no resignations were submitted. Taney, almost too feeble to walk, remained most of the time at his home, in one of the stucco houses in Blogden's Row in Indiana Avenue, where he lived with Ellen, his semi-invalid daughter." (Carl Brent Swisher, "Roger B. Taney," page 575-6)

"While his wife was living, Taney boarded in Washington and returned home to Baltimore when the Court was not in session, or when he was not on circuit duty in Virginia or Delaware. After her death, he sold the Baltimore house to St. George W. Teackle, for $15,100, and moved to Washington. For a time he occupied cramped quarters over a confectionery store with Ellen, Sophia and young Roger, but later he rented a row house on Indiana Avenue, near the present District Courthouse, in what was known as No. 23 Blagden's Row. It was here that he died, in 1864." (Lewis 257)

"After the move to Washington, when he had to visit Baltimore on circuit duty, Taney stayed with the Campbells at what was then No. 55 Franklin Street, in the second block west of Charles." (Lewis, p. 257)

Regarding the Merryman case specifically:

"While in Baltimore, the Chief Justice stayed at the Campbells' home on Franklin Street. On the morning of Monday, May 27, leaning on the arm of his grandson, Taney Campbell, he entered the old Masonic Hall at St. Paul and Fayette streets, where the United States Court was then held...." (Lewis, page 451)

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MERRYMAN WAS A RESIDENT OF BALTIMORE COUNTY, NOT BALTIMORE CITY

"1. On the 25th May 1861, the petitioner, a citizen of Baltimore county, in the state of Maryland, was arrested by a military force, acting under orders of a major general of the United States army, commanding in the state of Pennsylvania, and committed to the custody of the general commanding Fort McHenry, within the district of Maryland; on the 26th May 1861...."

Ex Parte Merryman

MERRYMAN WAS ARRESTED IN HIS RESIDENCE AND TRANSPORTED BY TRAIN TO BALTIMORE

LINK

Early on the morning of May 25th, Lieutenant Abel of the Pennsylvania troops arrived at the Merryman residence, roused Merryman, and informed him he was under arrest. He was removed to the train station where he boarded a train for Baltimore. By 9 a.m. he was secure in Fort McHenry.

Patrick S. Poole, "An Examination of Ex Parte Merryman"

MERRYMAN'S RESIDENCE WAS NEAR COCKEYSVILLE

I previously posted this to capitan_kerryfugio several times. He should have taken the time to read it at least once. Then he would not be mindlessly blathering that John Merryman was a neighbor to someone in Baltimore City.

LINK

OFFICIAL RECORDS: Series 2, vol 1, Part 1 (Prisoners of War)

Page 574

HEADQUARTERS DEPARTMENT OF ANNAPOLIS,

Baltimore, May 27, 1861.

Lieutenant Colonel E. D. TOWNSEND,

Asst. Adjt. General, Hdqrs. of the Army, Washington, D. C.

COLONEL: On the 25th instant Mr. John Merryman was arrested near Cockeysville to the northward of the city of Baltimore, by the order of Colonel Yohe acting under instructions from Major General William H. Keim. I inclose a copy of the instructions given by Colonel Yohe to Captain Heckman under which the arrest was made and also a copy of the written statement made by Adjt. James Miltimore and Lieutenant William H. Abel of the circumstances attending the arrest which was made on their arrival at Fort McHenry with the prisoner. You are aware that neither Colonel Yohe nor General Keim are within the limits of the department under my command. I do not know the address of Colonel Yohe. General Keim is I think in the neighborhood of Harrisburg.

* * *

GEO. CADWALADER,

Brevet Major-General, Commanding.

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2,136 posted on 12/02/2004 9:40:21 PM PST by nolu chan
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