[fortheDeclaration]

Had the U.S. lost the war (as did the South), there would be no day of the birth of the U.S. That's an evasion, not an answer. Did the United States attain nationhood on July 4th, 1776 or did it not? Yes or no will do. If you care to explain it further you may then append your answer with detail.

Only because it succeded.

Had it failed there would be no national day of independence.

The United States did not attain nationhood on July 4th, they declared it.

It took 8 years to attain it.

What no national day of celebration to honor the day of the birthday of the great Confederacy recognized by the Vatican and the Duchy of something? Once again I attempt a polite and factual response to your comment, and once again you return it with needless invective and venom. Go figure.

Goodness, a little tongue in cheek and you get all bent out of shape!

[GOPcapitalist]

Only because it succeded.

Another evasion, still no answer though.

Had it failed there would be no national day of independence.

So the "righness" of nationhood is determined entirely on its ability to exercise force? Strange.

Goodness, a little tongue in cheek and you get all bent out of shape!

I'm not quite certain where you keep getting interpretations like that from as I've certainly given no real reason for you to derive them. Nevertheless you do. One minute you're spouting venom, which I casually point out, and the next you're laughing about it while throwing bizarre accusations of irritability at me for simply pointing out your unusual behavior. And once that's all said and done you'll revert right back to spewing venom. You truly are a strange one.