"... despite the fact that States leaving the Union implicitly gave up their claims in the Territories, and thereby abandoned all efforts on behalf of their citizens to prove that Southerners had the right to migrate to the Territories with their slaves.... The South gave up on the Territories and the subject of the expansion of slavery, by seceding. Secession is negatively tied to 'the expansion of slavery', if secession guaranteed that there would be no expansion."
It seems to me Mr. GOPc would disagree that the CSA gave up claims to territories, especially in present-day Arizona and New Mexico, the "Indian Territory"; not to mention expansionist designs on Mexico and Cuba. It was Senator Albert Gallatin Brown of Mississippi who said, "I want Cuba ... I want Tampaulipas, Potosi, and one or two other Mexican states; and I want them all for the same reason - for the planting and spreading of slavery."
"You made a foolish statement, just to halfway support calling people who disagree with you 'Holocaust deniers'. "
Slavery has been termed the "African Holocaust" and the "American Holocaust." The CSA was intended by its designers to be, in their view, the ultimate evolution of slavey-based society. Bug-eyed Congressman Keitt of South Carolina stated: "African slavery is the cornerstone of the industrial, social, and political fabric of the South; and whatever wars against it, wars against her very existence. Strike down the institution of African slavery and you reduce the South to depopulation and barbarism." Bug-eyed Congressman Hammond of South Carolina stated, "I do firmly believe that domestic slavery, regulated as ours is, produces the highest toned, the purest, best organization of society that has ever existed on the face of the earth." CSA Vice President Stephens said, "[The Confederacy's] cornerstone rests upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man..."
The words of those who were secessionist leaders belie the story you like to tell. The creation of a southern republic was intended, largely, to preserve and expand the institution of slavery. Those who would deny that simple truth are not unlike those who deny the truth about the European Holocaust of the 1930s-40s.
It means "little man". You used it, twice, as an insult. Bite me.
Last time you responded with an obscenity.
Do you want another? You sound disappointed.
[You, quoting me] "... Secession is negatively tied to 'the expansion of slavery', if secession guaranteed that there would be no expansion."
[You, changing the subject] It seems to me Mr. GOPc would disagree that the CSA gave up claims to territories, especially in present-day Arizona and New Mexico, the "Indian Territory";....
I'm not responsible for his position. There was some discussion of the Territories, but other than the Glorieta expedition and the reconnaissance into Arizona, nothing much came of it. The Indian Nations allied, some of them, with the Confederates of their own volition.
....not to mention expansionist designs on Mexico and Cuba. It was Senator Albert Gallatin Brown of Mississippi who said, "I want Cuba ... I want Tampaulipas, Potosi, and one or two other Mexican states; and I want them all for the same reason - for the planting and spreading of slavery."
Thus Sen. Brown. You haven't shown that his was a generally accepted proposition. And meanwhile, you are busily distracting us from noticing that there was no more talk of revisiting Lecompton, or making Dred Scott the law of the northern Territories.
Like I said. The South resigned its interest in the Territories.
[You, quoting me again] "You made a foolish statement, just to halfway support calling people who disagree with you 'Holocaust deniers'. "
[Your turn] Slavery has been termed the "African Holocaust" and the "American Holocaust."
By whom? I don't accept that terminology. The United States and its citizens did not massacre blacks.
The CSA was intended by its designers to be, in their view, the ultimate evolution of slavey-based society.
No, it wasn't. It was intended to be the continuation of the United States and the U.S. Constitution, without the Black Republicans. You write about the Confederacy as if it were some Nazi Ueberplan, some Albert Speer-designed neverland. It was nothing like that.
You quote dishonestly, from one side of the ledger only, from people expatiating on the economic harm that uncompensated abolition would work on the Southern States, and then, like a Marxist would, you insinuate economic determinism as the Southerners' only motivation. You don't give any notice to the numerous statements that these same men made about the South's ability to control its own political agenda and to insist that Southerners' rights be respected.
You have never once admitted that Southerners had a property right in their slaves which was not conceded by the Abolitionists, who always used moral arguments to trump the complaint that what they were really advocating was an uncompensated taking and a massive violation of the Fourth and Fifth Amendments.
Did Southerners have any rights in slaves?
No, they don't. They amplify it. You, on the other hand, lie.
The creation of a southern republic was intended, largely, to preserve and expand the institution of slavery. Those who would deny that simple truth are not unlike those who deny the truth about the European Holocaust of the 1930s-40s.
You repeat the charge without showing the evidence, by equating Southerners with Nazis and neo-Nazis. I challenge your veracity yet again. Show me that Southerners murdered blacks in the millions. Show me the numbers. Show me the inquests, the warrants. Show me, liar.
Abraham Lincoln said, "I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races, [applause]---that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will for ever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race." LINK