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To: GOPcapitalist
"I take it then that you date American nationhood to sometime after November 1776 and thus necessarily after July 4, 1776 as well."

The American Declaration of Independence was a revolutionary act. It was opposed by the former sovereign. We recognize July 4, 1776, as the day we established the United States of America because we sustained our independence, and concluded a treaty with the former sovereign. Along the way we received the diplomatic recogntion from several world powers.

On the other hand, the southern states purported to secede through legal means. They then purported to form their own country. Neither in their unitary status, or in their confederacy, wer they ever recognized by any of the world powers, or even the neighboring countries.

The legitimate government reasserted its authority and the illusionary and illegitimate CSA was no more.

"It is no fantasy to note the very real fact of diplomatic recognition, capitan."

If SCG's "diplomatic recognition" was a "very real fact," then you should have no trouble actually posting the document of quoting from it in full. (Please don't repeat your dodge that it is on file in Richmond - that is getting old. You make a claim that is contrary to most, if not all, published accounts.) Let's see what you can come up with.

1,693 posted on 11/29/2004 12:36:24 AM PST by capitan_refugio
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To: capitan_refugio
The American Declaration of Independence was a revolutionary act. It was opposed by the former sovereign. We recognize July 4, 1776, as the day we established the United States of America because we sustained our independence, and concluded a treaty with the former sovereign. Along the way we received the diplomatic recogntion from several world powers.

You're avoiding the question. When do you date American nationhood to? July 4, 1776 or some date after that?

If SCG's "diplomatic recognition" was a "very real fact," then you should have no trouble actually posting the document of quoting from it in full. (Please don't repeat your dodge that it is on file in Richmond - that is getting old.

There you go changing the standards of proof again, capitan. IIRC the last time we went down this route I provided you with two separate books citing the document as well as a reference to its location in Richmond. However you know as well as I do that the document itself is a very obscure record that in all probability has never been reproduced in print. Seeing as I am not willing to make a drive down to Richmond on your behalf, the sources I already gave you will do fine.

1,703 posted on 11/29/2004 9:18:35 AM PST by GOPcapitalist ("Marxism finds it easy to ally with Islamic zealotism" - Ludwig von Mises)
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